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Pine Nuts

by Leann C » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:33 pm

I just read about this on a food blog and am wondering if anyone on the forum has encountered the pine nut/metallic taste thing. I had never heard of it. See the article below....

Pine mouth puzzle: Why do these nuts leave you with a bitter taste?

They are a favourite with celebrity chefs and hailed as the latest healthy salad ingredient.
But a liberal sprinkling of pine nuts over your dinner could also leave a bitter taste in your mouth. Increasing numbers of people have reported that after eating pine nuts, typically as a snack or in a pesto sauce, they have developed a foul, metallic taste in their mouth lasting for up to two weeks, making practically all food and drink unpalatable.

The first reports of 'pine mouth', as it has been dubbed, began last winter in the U.S. from those who had eaten imported Chinese pine nuts. Now pine mouth has spread to Britain, and shoppers across the country are experiencing the same disturbing symptoms. I, too, fell foul of the metal mouth syndrome after eating a few handfuls of pine nuts bought from a supermarket. Though I regained my taste after eight days, the only thing I could drink during that time was water, and the only food that was bearable was salad leaves smothered in strong balsamic vinegar. Drinking wine was like swallowing liquid metal. Most worryingly of all, neither I nor my GP had the slightest idea what was wrong with me.Until, that is, I typed the words 'bitter taste' into my internet search engine, and came across several hundred web postings from pine mouth sufferers all over the world. When approached, they are only too happy to tell their story.

'The bad taste in my mouth lasted for a fortnight, and for the first ten days it didn't improve at all,' says Danielle van Duin, from Holland. 'I was conscious of it all the time - I thought I was going to be condemned to have it for ever.' Kristin Donnelly, editor of online magazine Food & Wine, had the same problem. 'No matter what I tasted, there was a medicinal flavour at the back of my throat,' she says. So perturbed by his symptoms was Roger Hyam, a botanist from Edinburgh, he thought he had jaundice or diabetes. He has since started a pine mouth website in the hope fellow botanists might be able to offer help or an explanation. Those who found out about pine mouth via the internet were the lucky ones.

Others sought medical help and were sent for blood tests or liver scans, while some approached their dentist to see if mercury was leaking from their fillings.
Home remedies recommended by sufferers include drinking liquid aloe vera and taking activated charcoal tablets (charcoal is often used as a detox in cases of drug overdose). So what's actually happening here? And should we be worried? In reply to a group of pine mouth sufferers in Wales, the Food Standards Agency contacted doctors at the Brussels Poisons Centre, who have carried out tests on the pine nuts, but have been unable to identify any chemical differences between those that cause pine mouth and those that don't. The good news is that no pesticide or heavy metal contamination has been found in the pine nuts. The puzzling news is that while some people get pine mouth, others don't, even though they've eaten the same batch of nuts. 'It doesn't seem to be an allergic reaction, either,' says John Collard, clinical director of charity Allergy UK.

'It may be there is a chemical constituent in the nuts that causes the taste; possibly the oils in the nuts have gone rancid because of poor storage. 'Just as caffeine increases some people's heart rate more than others, some people may be susceptible to these oils, and some not.' But in the meantime, food retailers are not rushing to warn the public, despite shoppers at most of the major supermarkets claiming to have experienced the problem. While Tesco says it will look into the matter and Asda is not aware of any complaints, it's a different matter for Sainsbury's customers.
Clearly displayed on its customer web-forum are seven pages of postings from pine mouth-afflicted shoppers. 'This appears to be a rare occurrence associated with a small quantity of pine nuts sold in Britain as well as in other countries,' said a Sainsbury's spokesman. 'They do not represent any health concerns, but we're happy to exchange the product should customers want to return them.'

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Re: Pine Nuts

by Carla G » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:57 am

The first thing I did after reading this was go to Snopes and see if , perhaps, this had some urban legend connection or something but found nothing.
I can say that personally I can't eat pine nuts or even drink retsina because of the nasty, metallic taste it leaves in my mouth. But it doesn't last for weeks or even days. Just a matter of not liking the taste of pine nuts. Pine tar is particularly 'adhesive' in it's nature. Is there a correlation between it's stickiness and the taste staying in your mouth for extended times? Dunno. Interesting reading however.
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Re: Pine Nuts

by Carla G » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:10 am

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Re: Pine Nuts

by Steve P » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:51 am

Carla G wrote:http://journals.lww.com/euro-emergencymed/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2001&issue=03000&article=00036&type=fulltext

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Re: Pine Nuts

by Brad Keeton » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:32 pm

Never experienced that myself, and I eat pine nuts quite frequently (on salads, in pesto, etc.). I wonder if toasting them first could help prevent this from happening?
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Re: Pine Nuts

by Alan Miller » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:23 pm

I had pesto a couple of days ago and last night I was tidying in the kitchen and moved the pine nuts to their proper place and, of course, popped a few in my mouth. Within a few minutes everything tasted bitter in the back of the mouth, and I do mean everything. It can almost be overwhelmed for a few seconds but the instant I swallow the taste is there. If this goes on for two weeks (seems common) I'm going to sink into depression.
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Re: Pine Nuts

by Alan Miller » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:37 pm

Alan Miller wrote:I had pesto a couple of days ago and last night I was tidying in the kitchen and moved the pine nuts to their proper place and, of course, popped a few in my mouth. Within a few minutes everything tasted bitter in the back of the mouth, and I do mean everything. It can almost be overwhelmed for a few seconds but the instant I swallow the taste is there. If this goes on for two weeks (seems common) I'm going to sink into depression.


Just went and dug the pine nuts out and they were, indeed, from China.

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