Matthew Landan
Foodie
519
Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:17 pm
331 East Market Street
Matthew Crow wrote:This is the same John Mackie that has busted unions so it's not a big surprize that he is against a single-payer option or even the current set of proposals being debated in Congress. Considering his company is trading today for the same price it traded at 6 years ago I'm not so sure I consider him an expert at either medical insurance policies, employee happiness or how to sustainable run a business.
Read your opinions fro yourself and then ask yourself if this is the kind of guy you want to be enriching when you shop at his store.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html
Disclosure - I worked for Whole Foods twice (Chicago 1994-1995 quit to move to Oregon / Louisville 2005-2006 terminated for giving 40 days notice to quit).
Matthew Landan
Foodie
519
Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:17 pm
331 East Market Street
Matthew Crow wrote:John Mackey is a glib salesman and he has some high carbon miles produce he wants to sell you too.
Matthew Crow wrote:Notice the number one point he makes - high premium plans.
Living under a high premium plan means no regular doctor visits because you have a $2,500 premium = health care shouldn't only be for the catastrophic emergency - it also should be for check-ups and preventative care.
Matthew Crow wrote: I should not have to debate if I should spend my 1500$ personal wellness monies to get a flu shot or take my son to the pediatrician or get a massage or new glasses. What if I need all four? What he doesn't mention is the $2500 premium he says works so great is about = to one months take home pay if you work for him as a grunt in one of his stores. On that scale can you afford it? Under the John Mackey doctrine I see no relief for the unemployed, the underemployeed, and everyone who worlds for themselves. His prescription is not comprehensive reform, it's just another band aid. It does not adress the out of control profeteering of the insurance industry or create a system like non-profit co-ops to compete with the health giants of America in order to keep premiums and costs down. It does not address the denial of service attacks on average Americans because of preexisting conditions or sudden sickness (back researching for a reason to drop you).
John Mackey is a glib salesman and he has some high carbon miles produce he wants to sell you too.
Matthew Landan
Foodie
519
Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:17 pm
331 East Market Street
Rob Coffey wrote:If you need all 4, you pay cash out of pocket. Although, it shouldnt cost anywhere near $1500 to get a flu shot, a pediatrician visit, a massage and new glasses.
$2500 isnt the PREMIUM, it is the annual deductible. The premium will be much cheaper than low deductible policies. My company had considered changing to an HSA and the insurance premium for the high deductible policy is MUCH cheaper than we are paying now. I think we could put about $150 into everyones HSA account each month after buying the policy. If, like me, you go to the doctor about once every 15 years (although I turn 40 tomorrow, so I guess I probably need to schedule an appointment), $150 a month would build up into some big amounts.
Which, what do you know, would help out a hell of a lot if I was unemployed or underemployed. If the plan wasnt tied to employment and had a cheap hi-D policy with cash building up, you can afford health care during the down times.
As far as pre-existing conditions, see the article on the WSJ site today regarding term health insurance. There is no reason there couldnt be term health insurance like there is term life insurance. You know the cost of your insurance for the length of the term (the longer the term, the higher it is gonna be), but no change in conditions will cause it to go away.
[/quote]Matthew Crow wrote:Rob Coffey wrote:If you need all 4, you pay cash out of pocket. Although, it shouldnt cost anywhere near $1500 to get a flu shot, a pediatrician visit, a massage and new glasses.
So ok now lets extrapolate out: take the example that I have 2 kids and a wife. Each kid needs new glasses plus two pediatrician visits a year plus dentist visits. My wife needs a check up and so do I. We all need flu shots against N1H1 and I still need new glasses.
Pay out of pocket? Again if both me and my wife work for Whole Foods at $10 an hour... with 800$ a year in health savings account benefits... Or maybe just let the kids go and I'll not get the flu shot or the glasses.$2500 isnt the PREMIUM, it is the annual deductible. The premium will be much cheaper than low deductible policies. My company had considered changing to an HSA and the insurance premium for the high deductible policy is MUCH cheaper than we are paying now. I think we could put about $150 into everyones HSA account each month after buying the policy. If, like me, you go to the doctor about once every 15 years (although I turn 40 tomorrow, so I guess I probably need to schedule an appointment), $150 a month would build up into some big amounts.
The plan when I worked for Whole Foods was if you invoked your health insurance there was a significant premium. This discouraged the use of the insurance for normal every-day care or check ups and turned the policy into a kind of catastrophic policy. "Our team members therefore spend their own health-care dollars until the annual deductible is covered (about $2,500) and the insurance plan kicks in," John Mackey. It was great if you were hit by a car and needed 40,000$ in reconstructive surgery and hospital time, but if you just needed a check up you only option was out of pocket or the HSA dollars. What if you got sick three times in a year? This leads back to the above argument - sometimes things spiral out of control and people need more than just 800-1800$ a year in HSA monies to cover just the basics. On an average income of 25,000$ a year there isn't much left over for out of pocket medical expenses after paying for all the other basic necessities of life..
Todd Antz wrote:All right, a subject more controversial than me buying Pepsi's at Kroger! Continue on please
Todd Antz wrote:All right, a subject more controversial than me buying Pepsi's at Kroger! Continue on please
Matthew Crow wrote:The insurers still have an incentive to make otherworldly profits and there is no check on them as would be provided by a public option or the non-profit co-ops.
Users browsing this forum: Claudebot, Google [Bot] and 1 guest