Dubya coming to New Albany!

A short, further clarification. Because I don't have any actual experience with waterboarding or torture (except, say, the empty milk cartons my husband continues to leave teetering on the edge of the kitchen sink and the never-ending mess of our laundry room), I have to find sources outside my own experience to help me form a good opinion about what all that means. Most of us have to do that. And so we have to rely on sources such as the media and the military and government folks and hope they give us enough good information that we can form a valid opinion.

So, that's the best I can do. Come to think of it, I wish more people would actually bother to ferret out good information to come to their own decisions and form their own opinions about important issues. I suspect most people don't bother.

Actually a lot of my opinions on this come from the fact that my brother was killed in a POW camp in Veitnam in 1968....But even though they clamed he died of health related issues....When his body was delivered to the Americans he had no toe or fingernails and numerous severe bruises were noted across his back and legs.....I have no problem at all with waterboarding at all period.....

Very sorry to hear that about your brother Robert.

I am not sure that someone else's bad acts are grounds for us to lower our standards too. We used to stand for something better than our enemies. I hate to see us rolling around in the muck with them now.

I respect your opinion Ron...but after you see what the enemy will do to a person.....water boarding seems like a frollic in the park compared to some of the things that wrer done to our troops......and his was a lighter side compared to other stories that have been told to me by other families that have lost there sons in that war in POW camps...

[Robin Garr]

I respect your opinion Ron...but after you see what the enemy will do to a person.....water boarding seems like a frollic in the park compared to some of the things that wrer done to our troops......and his was a lighter side compared to other stories that have been told to me by other families that have lost there sons in that war in POW camps...

So in other words, because some Vietnamese people did some terrible things to your brother in the 1960s, it's a good idea for the United States of America to make up for it by doing terrible things to some Arabic people now?

It goes much father than my brother....Talk to any POW or POW family from any war.... Just curious where you ever in the service and if so in any war?

It goes much father than my brother....Talk to any POW or POW family from any war.... Just curious where you ever in the service and if so in any war?

Robert, how does this position comport with your adherence to the Christian faith professed in another thread?

WWJD?

[Robin Garr]

It goes much father than my brother....Talk to any POW or POW family from any war.... Just curious where you ever in the service and if so in any war?

Because you don't seem to know how (or don't choose to) use the "Quote" feature to signal the specific post to which you're responding, I can't tell for certain if you're asking that question of me, someone else, or the group in general.

I don't mind saying, however, that I was an Air Force officer (Second Lieutenant through reserve Captain) during a five-year stretch in the Vietnam era, and spent a little time on TDY in RVN, although not under any particularly hazardous conditions. I never tortured a spy, nor saw one tortured.

This might be the time to point to my messages above about the United States Army just reiterating its position that waterboarding has been banned as an interrogation technique.

Also the transcript of the testimony of Malcolm Nance, retired navy officer who taught those sorts of torture techniques to armed services personnel so that they might learn how to withstand them, not that they would inflict them on prisoners, and who noted that waterboarding is torture, and because it's torture, it's been banned by our own military.

Not only that, we have a long history in this country of prosecuting war criminals on charges of torture, including water boarding.

So, despite the opinion of some military personnel, retired, former POWs, or what have you, that anything goes, there are plenty of other military personnel who have agreed that according to our own country's longstanding ethical standards, torture is simply not acceptable.

It goes much father than my brother....Talk to any POW or POW family from any war.... Just curious where you ever in the service and if so in any war?

Hasn't John McCain come out against waterboarding and all forms of torture as interrogation practice?

I respect your opinion Ron...but after you see what the enemy will do to a person.....water boarding seems like a frollic in the park compared to some of the things that wrer done to our troops......and his was a lighter side compared to other stories that have been told to me by other families that have lost there sons in that war in POW camps...

Which begs the question...what the f$%& were we doing there in the first place and what the f$%& are we doing NOW!! Yes, those damn "terrorists" are all out to get us (and those bloody commies/socialists/liberals et al are only helping the cause) but WE create them!! Through our support of despots and glad-handers who have something we want, we send our children and brothers to war. They kill us because they HATE us, but did you ever stop for a second and ask yourself why?? Perhaps it is because we are the designated global policeman? Maybe our God is bigger/faster/stronger (almost bionic..) than theirs and they are not worthy of existing? I think of Nicaragua/Panama/Chile/Somalia/Iraq/Vietnam/ and countless other "soveriegn" nations that we have imposed our ideology/will on (CIA or other means) and it makes me want to vomit when we get so pompous as to say we are "spreading democracy" throughout the world. We are a self-indulgent lot that is only interested in what is best for US and will do anything to promote that cause. We need to start thinking about the big picture here. We have created terrorism in Iraq where it was not an issue before (Saddam had it well under control, lest he lose power) and now we have opened pandoras box and have no means of escape. Robert, you talk of "what the enemy will do" but clearly, since you are posting on this site, you have never been carpet bombed, burned by napalm, or watched your entire family and neighbors blown to pieces in the blink of an eye. We do all of that, and much much more, in the name of PEACE!!

This might be the time to point to my messages above about the United States Army just reiterating its position that waterboarding has been banned as an interrogation technique.

Also the transcript of the testimony of Malcolm Nance, retired navy officer who taught those sorts of torture techniques to armed services personnel so that they might learn how to withstand them, not that they would inflict them on prisoners, and who noted that waterboarding is torture, and because it's torture, it's been banned by our own military.

Not only that, we have a long history in this country of prosecuting war criminals on charges of torture, including water boarding.

So, despite the opinion of some military personnel, retired, former POWs, or what have you, that anything goes, there are plenty of other military personnel who have agreed that according to our own country's longstanding ethical standards, torture is simply not acceptable.

What do ya say we just fly them to another country and let them torture them for us?? Oh.....wait......we already do that!! I am so proud to be an American......,.God bless the USA!!

This might be the time to point to my messages above about the United States Army just reiterating its position that waterboarding has been banned as an interrogation technique.

Also the transcript of the testimony of Malcolm Nance, retired navy officer who taught those sorts of torture techniques to armed services personnel so that they might learn how to withstand them, not that they would inflict them on prisoners, and who noted that waterboarding is torture, and because it's torture, it's been banned by our own military.

Not only that, we have a long history in this country of prosecuting war criminals on charges of torture, including water boarding.

So, despite the opinion of some military personnel, retired, former POWs, or what have you, that anything goes, there are plenty of other military personnel who have agreed that according to our own country's longstanding ethical standards, torture is simply not acceptable.

What do ya say we just fly them to another country and let them torture them for us?? Oh.....wait......we already do that!! I am so proud to be an American......,.God bless the USA!!

Anyone know the words to the national anthem of Canada?? Just curious as I am inclined to think that I will likely be seeking political asylum there soon.............

Thanks for the info Robin...But I am still waiting for Ron...also david good to see you back...For a person that said I am not posting anymore after your place closed and continued to make smart remarks and jabs about me...You sure have posted alot...It is an addiction I know....

Regardless on whether or not we "torture", the enemies of the USA DO torture, and no about of liberal hangwringing will change that; the handwringing can only help encourage our enemies to torture us, while our hands are tied.

Whatever it takes to keep the USA safe, is what we should do.