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Indiana actually doesn't have the money to pay for its part of the project. According to the latest cost estimates, Indiana's share is $1.2 billion. I believe only $700 million in Major Moves money was allocated to the project, however, and the actual project tables on INDOT's web site show only $552 million - both far short of what is needed. The Major Moves money is already over-allocated, so I don't see how they get more. Also, $1.2 billion is 1/3 of the total Toll Road lease value. It would beggar belief if Indiana spent that high a percentage of its road funds on this bridge project.

I'm sorry this is a terrible idea. Just like adding a second bridge downtown is. East End bridge is needed yes, and I agree that adding 290357203875834 new lanes to spaghetti junction is not needed. However tearing out a major traffic artery because you dont think it's pretty just to dump it onto a pretty congested traffic link isnt a good idea. Plus has anyone considered that when you take that artery down to a level boulevard that its' going to flood several times a year?

the 8664 crowd takes a couple of good ideas and goes way beyond it. And maybe that's the hope, put something beyond reach out there in hopes of getting the real goal accomplished as a compromise. At least I somehow hope so.

And for whomever asked. The reason a 2nd bridge was added to the Project was because someone from the East End thought it would torpedo the whole project if they added that provision. Of course now they have their hurdle with that damn Landmark exemption of a private home to cause the cost of this project to skyrocket with the blasting of a tunnel. Way to inconvenience the rest of the community for a few dollars.

It's been awhile since I brought this topic up...But I would feel remiss if I failed to bring up the fact that this whole idea is based upon tearing down a RAISED thru-way...that already exists and just got refurbished to the tune of several million dollars....
And gets replaced with a SURFACE street(Parkway, Avenue, or whatever) that is essentially in the FLOODPLAIN and could be shut down with enough rain fall.

The powers that be close the 3rd St. off ramp and River Rd. on a fairly regular basis when the river is up...

So what would happen when a major artery into downtown gets closed by flooding? Has any one considered this?

It feels like a light rail discussion in this community may be dead for decades. The last study fell on deaf ears for a variety of reasons, mostly due to the need for a permanent subsidy to make it work (much like Tarc). I'm afraid we need a larger city and a larger tax base to make it feasible.

Yep, I'll say it, The TARC bus system we already have is a very inefficient means of transportation.

Come on people, Have any of you 8664 supporters ever REALLY ridden the bus anywhere?

I used to take the #4 when I lived in Old Louisville and worked downtown(it was cheaper than paying to park). But If you Live In the Outlying areas do you really consider this as an option say if your car breaks down?

I understand the need to conserve our precious nonrenewable resources...but in the modern workplace people have to have the flexibility to come and and go as they see fit.
If they can't do it NOW with buses then I'm hard pressed to imagine if we had 4 Light rail lines built(to the tune of who knows how many billions of dollars) who the ridership would be and where would the routes take us.

It's been awhile since I brought this topic up...But I would feel remiss if I failed to bring up the fact that this whole idea is based upon tearing down a RAISED thru-way...that already exists and just got refurbished to the tune of several million dollars....
And gets replaced with a SURFACE street(Parkway, Avenue, or whatever) that is essentially in the FLOODPLAIN and could be shut down with enough rain fall.

The powers that be close the 3rd St. off ramp and River Rd. on a fairly regular basis when the river is up...

So what would happen when a major artery into downtown gets closed by flooding? Has any one considered this?

And how frequently does this happen? Well, very rarely, and would amount to temporary detours. Big whoopie.

Come on people, Have any of you 8664 supporters ever REALLY ridden the bus anywhere?

8664 and public transportation are separate issues, really. I don't believe anyone should be confusing them.

It's been awhile since I brought this topic up...But I would feel remiss if I failed to bring up the fact that this whole idea is based upon tearing down a RAISED thru-way...that already exists and just got refurbished to the tune of several million dollars....
And gets replaced with a SURFACE street(Parkway, Avenue, or whatever) that is essentially in the FLOODPLAIN and could be shut down with enough rain fall.

The powers that be close the 3rd St. off ramp and River Rd. on a fairly regular basis when the river is up...

So what would happen when a major artery into downtown gets closed by flooding? Has any one considered this?

And how frequently does this happen? Well, very rarely, and would amount to temporary detours. Big whoopie.

It actually happens quite a bit! And I'm pretty certain it will happen again . This doesn't seem like an issue to diss with a "big whoopie".


Also, how much will removing a thru-way affect traffic flow to the arena's ill-concieved location?

I really find it hard to see why anyone would be opposed to this who had actually bothered to understand the basic concept.

Chsck out metro tv...If this is the best that 8664 can produce...YAWN....This main speaker is awfull...Boring...The lady just behind him has been dosing off for the past 30 minutes and many yawn from metro council....They need a much better spokeman than this person....Plus most of his slides are just way to complicated to understand....

Looks like the guys name is Walter Kulash...He is really bad to listen to...I dont think he will sway much people over with this presentation..

[Robin Garr]

most of his slides are just way to complicated to understand....

Mmm hmmm ... say no more.

I think that a lot of people tonight along with Metro Concil went away saying...WHAT DID HE SAY...If they want to push the issue they will need a much better speaker and presentation....This one went nowhere....

Let's just pave the river and get over with.

It actually happens quite a bit! And I'm pretty certain it will happen again . This doesn't seem like an issue to diss with a "big whoopie".

Yes, it can be dissed this way because these flood events are very rare. VERY RARE. Temporary detours don't kill anyone.

On edit: Besides, with the East End Bridge, through traffic goes around downtown. So, the problem is???

Also, how much will removing a thru-way affect traffic flow to the arena's ill-concieved location?

8664 does NOTHING to impede traffic going to downtown and back.

It actually happens quite a bit! And I'm pretty certain it will happen again . This doesn't seem like an issue to diss with a "big whoopie".

Yes, it can be dissed this way because these flood events are very rare. VERY RARE. Temporary detours don't kill anyone.

On edit: Besides, with the East End Bridge, through traffic goes around downtown. So, the problem is???

Also, how much will removing a thru-way affect traffic flow to the arena's ill-concieved location?

8664 does NOTHING to impede traffic going to downtown and back.

You obviously don't commute across the Kennedy Bridge on a daily basis do you!

Take a little jaunt across the Ohio to do anything and then sit in the traffic going southbound and come back to me with your high and mighty ideal of tearing down some thing that has worked for 35 + years