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Dubya coming to New Albany!

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by David Clancy » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:44 pm

Robin Garr wrote:
C. Devlin wrote:Do you agree with Bush that "enhanced interrogation techniques" such as waterboarding are perfectly appropriate under certain circumstances?


Wait, wait, don't ask him that one yet ... let me tilt him back a little farther first ... :twisted:
Damn, I must be getting old cause it took me a good 5 minutes to get that......now I have to clean my keyboard too!
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by Todd Antz » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:48 pm

robert szappanos wrote:Yes I do agree with it....And come on Robin you can do better than that...you have in the past......Lets see if we can get as many pages to this post as the library tax issue...only about 10 or so more pages to go...Now all of you take a dinner break...I am going to Reb Lobster for a Lobster dinner....Hope you all have a good dinner too.....See ya later.... :D :D


What we really need is a third party...


All that talk, and he gets dinner from a chain......

I had the pleasure of the Indiana State Police filling my parking lot with cars and trailers once their security hitch was over with the President. Apparently Mark's Feed Store offers a 50 % discount for our local police force, and the State boys decided to get some food there after taking care of the visit.

When I saw 15 motercycles and 6 police cars whip into my lot, my first thought was that W wanted a beer, and that I was going to have the pleasure of denying him service. Alas, it was not him, and my dream was short lived.
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by David Clancy » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:52 pm

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robert szappanos wrote:Yes I do agree with it....And come on Robin you can do better than that...you have in the past......Lets see if we can get as many pages to this post as the library tax issue...only about 10 or so more pages to go...Now all of you take a dinner break...I am going to Reb Lobster for a Lobster dinner....Hope you all have a good dinner too.....See ya later.... :D :D


What we really need is a third party...


All that talk, and he gets dinner from a chain......

I had the pleasure of the Indiana State Police filling my parking lot with cars and trailers once their security hitch was over with the President. Apparently Mark's Feed Store offers a 50 % discount for our local police force, and the State boys decided to get some food there after taking care of the visit.

When I saw 15 motercycles and 6 police cars whip into my lot, my first thought was that W wanted a beer, and that I was going to have the pleasure of denying him service. Alas, it was not him, and my dream was short lived.
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by Bedford Crenshaw » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:13 pm

Red Lobster is the best seafood in the area; definitely better than Mike Lennig's, which is severely overrated.

And why would Bush deign to go to just another beer store when he could get the finest beer from around the world whenever and wherever he wants it. :roll:
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by Jeff T » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:30 pm

While were on the subject of peace under the Clinton years. A few facts:
First World Trade Center bombing: 6 killed, 1000 injured. 1995 Saudi Arabia bombing: 5 US soldiers killed. !996 al-Khobar towers bombing, Saudi Arabia, 19 soldiers killed and 200 wounded. 1998 embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya 257 killed, 5000 wounded. 2000, USS Cole 17 killed, 3 wounded. Not to mention that he had Osama handed to him 2 or 3 different times and did nothing. He was much too busy entertaining Hollwood and chasing 20 year old girls. Oh and how about the Balkins. Guess who Clinton hired to take care of logistics like food service and the like? The EVIL Halliburton!!!!
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by robert szappanos » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:11 pm

Good points that a lot of people forget about......BUT at dinner tonight i had a chance to think about this talk and first I would like to apologize to anyone that I offended. I think that what really upsets me is the state that our goverment is in. I am 54 years old and it seems when I was younger we had elections...people voted and then the goverment got down to ther duties and worked together...there was no name calling from both sides before...during and after an election....and we did not start campaining the day after an election. Now it seems that there is just constant arguing on both sides and one sides idea is automatically bad to the other side. No body seems like they can work together again....The last person that I thought would have made a good change of pace was Ross Perot...running for the first time...and I voted for him...but he got a little nutty at the end....That was the best chance that an independant had to getting into office. I still fell that as long as we only have a two party system the arguing will continue and all that will do is nothing will get done...but come election time both sides will promise you everything and end up giving you nothing....Hey the stuff that both sides are promising to do is the same junk I herd in the 60s...but just as then the same promises seem to come up every election...then never get done after as both sides get nothing done. I think that our election process has gotten out of control both with the amount of money and the sleezy backstabbing stuff that goes on....Again I apologize to all...but the way goverment is now it really does not give me a good feeling inside.....Robin would you please turn the water off now... :) :)
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by Jeff Gillenwater » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:20 pm

As everyone gets a chance to see the actual partisan stump speech, I ask that they keep in mind that event sponsor One Southern Indiana, who supposedly works closely with GLI, promotes itself as a non-partisan, "one voice" unification group as they move from one local government to the next asking for tax money.

They dropped about $40K on today's GOP rally, not counting all the municipal services needed.

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by Ron Johnson » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:20 pm

Jeff T wrote:While were on the subject of peace under the Clinton years. A few facts:
First World Trade Center bombing: 6 killed, 1000 injured. 1995 Saudi Arabia bombing: 5 US soldiers killed. !996 al-Khobar towers bombing, Saudi Arabia, 19 soldiers killed and 200 wounded. 1998 embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya 257 killed, 5000 wounded. 2000, USS Cole 17 killed, 3 wounded. Not to mention that he had Osama handed to him 2 or 3 different times and did nothing. He was much too busy entertaining Hollwood and chasing 20 year old girls. Oh and how about the Balkins. Guess who Clinton hired to take care of logistics like food service and the like? The EVIL Halliburton!!!!


Equating the bomb that went off in the garage of the World Trade Center with what happened on 9/11 is disgusting.
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by Jeff T » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:24 pm

I agree Robert. Am I happy with the way things are going in Iraq? Not really. No one wants to see innocent people die. I dont like the military deaths either. Is it about oil? Heck yes! Buts thats not the whole picture. I really dont want to see a KFC or McDonalds in downtown Baghdad. War is an extension of politics by other means. There are evil people in this world that do not understand anything but the tip of a sword. On the otherhand I think the presidents time in office has been completely galvanized by 9-11. Its just a guess where we would be if it never happened.
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by Jeff T » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:26 pm

In what way Ron? They were both tyring to achieve the same thing.
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by Jeff T » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:31 pm

Sounds like you are trying to equate it to something that might happen in our town, like a "garage" at someones home. Not a truck filled with 2.5 tons of explosives parked in what was thought by the terrorists to be a location that would bring down the towers. Thank God for our excellent engineering standards or it might of happened.
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by Mark R. » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:33 pm

Ron Johnson wrote:Equating the bomb that went off in the garage of the World Trade Center with what happened on 9/11 is disgusting.


Equating them is very appropriate. The aims of both attacks were exactly the same, kill Americans and destroy infrastructure. It just so happens that the first group with dumber than a second group. Is there anything else about the points that happened under Clinton that you dispute?
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by Todd Antz » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:41 pm

Bedford Crenshaw wrote:Red Lobster is the best seafood in the area; definitely better than Mike Lennig's, which is severely overrated.

And why would Bush deign to go to just another beer store when he could get the finest beer from around the world whenever and wherever he wants it. :roll:


I get the feeling the President Bush is a Bud drinker, I might even give him Shiner Bock, so that he can drink something from his home state. No concerns that he wants the finest beer from around the world, but if he did, he was pretty darn close to a great source of it.... me! (tongue in cheek)

Why would he come into just another beer store? I guess for the same reason he went to the Grand Theater today.... politics.
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by Roger A. Baylor » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:11 am

Bedford Crenshaw wrote:Red Lobster is the best seafood in the area; definitely better than Mike Lennig's, which is severely overrated.

And why would Bush deign to go to just another beer store when he could get the finest beer from around the world whenever and wherever he wants it. :roll:


A better question is why he'd eat at Sam's Food & Spirits if he could get better food many places in metro Louisville.

Nothing against Sam; not at all, but he's a Republican, and it just goes to show that the entire visit had to do with nothing -- nothing -- other than Mike Sodrel's re-re-election chances next year. Given that, I echo Jeff G: Why must we all pay for a partisan political speech?

Then again, if you really think that Red Lobster is the best seafood in town, precious little can be done for you other than me having another locally brewed beer in honor of chain rot.

Which I believe I will, thank you.
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by C. Devlin » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:29 am

Jeff T wrote:While were on the subject of peace under the Clinton years. A few facts:
First World Trade Center bombing: 6 killed, 1000 injured. 1995 Saudi Arabia bombing: 5 US soldiers killed. !996 al-Khobar towers bombing, Saudi Arabia, 19 soldiers killed and 200 wounded. 1998 embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya 257 killed, 5000 wounded. 2000, USS Cole 17 killed, 3 wounded. Not to mention that he had Osama handed to him 2 or 3 different times and did nothing. He was much too busy entertaining Hollwood and chasing 20 year old girls. Oh and how about the Balkins. Guess who Clinton hired to take care of logistics like food service and the like? The EVIL Halliburton!!!!


The internet email spam about these issues has been debunked and then debunked again as urban legend over the years. A good source for those mass, spammy emails is snopes.com, if anybody's interested.

Anyway, this is one version of that email which snopes addresses:

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After the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa, which killed 257 and injured 5,000, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured three US sailors, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Mr Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 more people would be alive today.

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And this is snopes's very thorough report on that:

On 26 February 1993, a car loaded with 1,200 pounds of explosives blew up in a parking garage under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring about a thousand others. The blast did not, as its planners intended, bring down the towers — that was finally accomplished by flying two hijacked airliners into the twin towers on the morning of 11 September 2001.

Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March 1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995, convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to 240 years in prison. One additional suspect fled the U.S. and is believed to be living in Baghdad.

On 13 November 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. Saudi Arabian authorities arrested four Saudi nationals whom they claim confessed to the bombings, but U.S. officials were denied permission to see or question the suspects before they were convicted and beheaded in May 1996.

On 25 June 1996, a booby-trapped truck loaded with 5,000 pounds of explosives was exploded outside the Khobar Towers apartment complex which housed United States military personnel in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing nineteen Americans and wounding about three hundred others. Once again, the U.S. investigation was hampered by the refusal of Saudi officials to allow the FBI to question suspects.

On 21 June 2001, just before the American statute of limitations would have expired, a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, indicted thirteen Saudis and an unidentified Lebanese chemist for the Khobar Towers bombing. The suspects remain in Saudi custody, beyond the reach of the American justice system. (Saudi Arabia has no extradition treaty with the U.S.)

On 7 August 1998, powerful car bombs exploded minutes apart outside the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people and wounding about 5,000 others. Four participants with ties to Osama bin Laden were captured, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life in prison without parole in October 2001. Fourteen other suspects indicted in the case remain at large, and three more are fighting extradition in London.

On 12 October 2000, two suicide bombers detonated an explosives-laden skiff next to the USS Cole while it was refueling in Aden, Yemen, blasting a hole in the ship that killed 17 sailors and injured 37 others. No suspects have yet been arrested or indicted. The investigation has been hampered by the refusal of Yemini officials to allow FBI agents access to Yemeni nationals and other suspects in custody in Yemen.

(The USS Cole bombing occurred one month before the 2000 presidential election, so even under the best of circumstances it was unlikely that the investigation could have been completed before the end of President Clinton's term of office three months later.)

In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the attack on the USS Cole). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. As John F. Harris wrote in The Washington Post:

In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation — from such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) — that he was acting precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, then at full boil.

Some said he was mistaken for personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some Republicans accused him of hysteria.

. . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed — he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier — recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world.

. . . people maintain Clinton should have adapted Bush's policy promising that regimes that harbor terrorism will be treated as severely as terrorists themselves, and threatening to evict the Taliban from power in Afghanistan unless leaders meet his demands to produce bin Laden and associates. But Clinton aides said such a policy — potentially involving a full-scale war in central Asia — was not plausible before politics the world over became transformed by one of history's most lethal acts of terrorism.

Clinton's former national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger . . . said there [was] little prospect . . . that Pakistan would have helped the United States wage war against bin Laden or the Taliban in 1998, even after such outrages as the bombing of U.S. embassies overseas.

Update: In January 2004 a version of the 2001 e-mail with "BUSH COVERED IT!" inserted after each entry began to be circulated on the Internet. Must be an election year.

Last updated: 27 January 2004

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