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Okay, having gone back and read some of the earlier posts, I'll admit that the area around spaghetti junction is often something of a nightmare. But I think that has as much to do with the "spaghetti" aspect of the construction there. Whoever designed that should have some sort of license revoked.... Or maybe they should have been shot.... It's admittedly a mess.

Okay, having gone back and read some of the earlier posts, I'll admit that the area around spaghetti junction is often something of a nightmare. But I think that has as much to do with the "spaghetti" aspect of the construction there. Whoever designed that should have some sort of license revoked.... Or maybe they should have been shot.... It's admittedly a mess.

The main reason spaghetti junction is such a mess is the abandoned railroad bridge (Big Four Bridge) that currently has no access. However when the interstate junction was designed it had to take into account the approaches to the bridge as it was a working RR bridge.

Ironically the bridge was abandoned about the time construction started. The approaches were removed in the early 70's.

Okay, having gone back and read some of the earlier posts, I'll admit that the area around spaghetti junction is often something of a nightmare. But I think that has as much to do with the "spaghetti" aspect of the construction there. Whoever designed that should have some sort of license revoked.... Or maybe they should have been shot.... It's admittedly a mess.

The problem is the weaving it forces at interstate junctures -- having to cross traffic lanes to get to switch lanes. When traffic is heavier, people naturally drive more carefully (much more slowly) to deal with all the cross-weaving.

Both 8664 and the ORBP address this problem. In fact, it is today a requirement to not have any weaving issues on newly constructed interstate.

With 8664, eliminating weaving is much easier from an engineering standpoint, since I-64 would be removed starting in the I-65 area. As you can see in the 8664 feasibility plan imagery, accomplishing the elimination of weaving can be done while leaving Spaghetti Junction not really looking much like spaghetti any longer. We would actually end up with a smaller maintenance footprint than we have today -- that is, not only tax dollars saved for interstate reconstruction, but also saved for perpetuity.

With ORBP, with I-64 at the waterfront kept, the combination of eliminating weaving with accommodating a second downtown bridge leads to a tremendous bowl of fettuccine (imagery also included in the 8664 feasibility plan), 23 lanes wide, with 93 land-based bridges that will have to be maintained with your tax dollars. Note also that completing the construction of Fettuccine Junction will take 13 to 17 years according to the ORBP schedule.

Sorry Steve....I did come off sounding a little hostile. Once again posting while slightly buzzed from watching football last night...I think Ethan is right, we need to have a Breathalyzer lock on some of our keyboard's. I re-read my posts from last evening and noticed that they were a little "abrasive".

However, I'm just trying to cast a dissenting opinion and keep a "spirited" debate going!

No problem.

Okay, having gone back and read some of the earlier posts, I'll admit that the area around spaghetti junction is often something of a nightmare. But I think that has as much to do with the "spaghetti" aspect of the construction there. Whoever designed that should have some sort of license revoked.... Or maybe they should have been shot.... It's admittedly a mess.

The problem is the weaving it forces at interstate junctures -- having to cross traffic lanes to get to switch lanes. When traffic is heavier, people naturally drive more carefully (much more slowly) to deal with all the cross-weaving.

Both 8664 and the ORBP address this problem. In fact, it is today a requirement to not have any weaving issues on newly constructed interstate.

With 8664, eliminating weaving is much easier from an engineering standpoint, since I-64 would be removed starting in the I-65 area. As you can see in the 8664 feasibility plan imagery, accomplishing the elimination of weaving can be done while leaving Spaghetti Junction not really looking much like spaghetti any longer. We would actually end up with a smaller maintenance footprint than we have today -- that is, not only tax dollars saved for interstate reconstruction, but also saved for perpetuity.

With ORBP, with I-64 at the waterfront kept, the combination of eliminating weaving with accommodating a second downtown bridge leads to a tremendous bowl of fettuccine (imagery also included in the 8664 feasibility plan), 23 lanes wide, with 93 land-based bridges that will have to be maintained with your tax dollars. Note also that completing the construction of Fettuccine Junction will take 13 to 17 years according to the ORBP schedule.

Well, then, sounds like a great idea. I've never seen anything like that stretch of merging lanes, and though I've gotten somewhat used to it, it still hacks me off every time I approach it. When my husband's driving, he hollers "Anything your way?" and I always wonder how he manages to negotiate the damned thing without a passenger to give him the all-clear.

I just got this in from 8664...

During the [8664] Forum, Councilwoman Tina Ward-Pugh encouraged citizens to attend Metro Council's ad hoc committee meetings exploring 8664.

The next meeting is this afternoon at 5 pm at Metro Hall, 601 W. Jefferson Street, 3rd floor. Please show your support and join us in the front of the audience. If you arrive after 5pm, you will need to enter via 6th Street (b/w Market and Jefferson). If you can't attend, the meeting should be covered live and rebroadcast on Metro TV (Insight Channel 25).

Mr. Harold Tull, Director of Transportation at KIPDA (Louisville's Metro Planning Organization) will be present to discuss how KIPDA uses its traffic demand model to assess traffic on the regions roadway network. Will they run the traffic model on the 8664 Plan? What if KIPDA board member Mayor Abramson objects? Come and find out.

Let me stir the pot one more time....

With the "proposed" idea of tolls to cross the Mighty Ohio; How do you feel about this?....

I feel it is an unfair "tax" being levied upon Hoosier commuters when it inevitably comes to pass.

The Indiana side figured out how to pay for their share, not to mention the infrastructure(on the Sunny Side) is mostly in place...

I can see the 2nd St Bridge clogged with traffic for those who want to beat the toll booth, unless of course you want to give some of that money back on the Indiana side like they had when they(Indiana) built the thing(Clark Memorial Bridge) in the first place!

Let me stir the pot one more time....


The Indiana side figured out how to pay for their share, not to mention the infrastructure(on the Sunny Side) is mostly in place...

Kentucky spent all of its money on "studies".

Let me stir the pot one more time....


The Indiana side figured out how to pay for their share, not to mention the infrastructure(on the Sunny Side) is mostly in place...

Kentucky spent all of its money on "studies".

All of its available money, true. There never was the money available to cover the full ORBP. That was smoke and mirrors from particular politicians all along.

Let me stir the pot one more time....

With the "proposed" idea of tolls to cross the Mighty Ohio; How do you feel about this?....

I feel it is an unfair "tax" being levied upon Hoosier commuters when it inevitably comes to pass.

The Indiana side figured out how to pay for their share, not to mention the infrastructure(on the Sunny Side) is mostly in place...

I can see the 2nd St Bridge clogged with traffic for those who want to beat the toll booth, unless of course you want to give some of that money back on the Indiana side like they had when they(Indiana) built the thing(Clark Memorial Bridge) in the first place!

Tolls are DOA. Trust me: the public is all but foaming at the mouth over the idea.

I have been calling for a radical reduction in the ORBP that should eliminate the need for tolls. We can have a workable project that draws only from ongoing transportation budget funds.

Crap, I wish I had the money to offer a "ferry" service across the OHIO once they build the new downtown stadium(there is ample parking on the Sunny Side)....