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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by Nimbus Couzin » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:17 pm

Steve P wrote:Didn't mean to get ya'll stirred up...I was just trying to find out where they setup these checkpoints so that whenever I've had an extra cocktail I know what parts of town to avoid. :?


Bad boy......(call a cab or a friend)
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by John Hagan » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:24 pm

Nimbus Couzin wrote: But you have no right to drive drunk and kill me or my kids or my friends or my loved ones!


Hey lets not get all "fox newsy" here and start making off the wall comments. So far this has stayed pretty civil. I think we all can agree that no one here is advocating the right to drive drunk.
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by Nimbus Couzin » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:28 pm

Marsha L. wrote:
JustinHammond wrote:I'm cool with having to give up my "right" to drive around without being ask questions by the cops, if it keeps deadbeats, criminals, and illegals where they belong.



I'm not "cool" with anybody giving up my rights. If you give up your rights, you're giving up mine.

I'm for maximum penalties for drunk driving, but not fishing expeditions. In case you were wondering, I'm also not cool with warrantless wiretapping.


Marsha,
Suppose you were hit by a drunk driver and paralyzed for life.

I'm not asking anyone to give up their rights, but think for a sec. Ok, another sec. Do you think you might have a different opinion? How is a cop asking you if you've been drinking "giving up my rights" ?? I really don't get the logic....

When you share the streets with your community, police officers get to ask you questions. I think it is a fair balance for the safety of the community...

I think this thread should be about dead now....Whew.......
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by Nimbus Couzin » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:33 pm

John Hagan wrote:
Nimbus Couzin wrote: But you have no right to drive drunk and kill me or my kids or my friends or my loved ones!


Hey lets not get all "fox newsy" here and start making off the wall comments. So far this has stayed pretty civil. I think we all can agree that no one here is advocating the right to drive drunk.


I don't think that is getting fox "news" 'y ...(had to put news in quotation marks).

We're talking about a balancing of rights. And ways to stop drinking and driving from causing horrific accidents and deaths. Simple. It truly is a balancing act. That wasn't an off-the-wall comment.

You don't have a right to drive drunk, and yes, I have a right to live. So yes, I have a right to find out if you're drunk. Hard to put it much simpler than that. Thus checkpoints.
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by Nimbus Couzin » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:35 pm

Gotta go driving for the next hour plus (karate class)...wish me luck! Heeheee
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by John Hagan » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:35 pm

Edit, to remove snarky Palin reference.Sorry
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by Marsha L. » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:56 pm

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Nimbus Couzin wrote: I think it is a fair balance for the safety of the community...



is the slippery slope whereof we speak. Heck, let's just take all the cars off the roads. Far more Americans are killed every year in NON drunk-driving accidents than will ever be killed by terrorism.

I don't need Daddy Government to keep me safe, nor do I want it to.
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by JustinHammond » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:28 pm

Marsha L. wrote:I don't need Daddy Government to keep me safe, nor do I want it to.


The world without police, tsa, and military would be a much better place to live.
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by Bill P » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:32 pm

JustinHammond wrote:
Marsha L. wrote:I don't need Daddy Government to keep me safe, nor do I want it to.


The world without police, tsa, and military would be a much better place to live.


Sounds a bit like Somalia.
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by Marsha L. » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:38 pm

I'm not advocating "a world without police, the TSA or the military". I'm advocating following the Constitution.
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by JustinHammond » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:58 pm

Marsha L. wrote:I'm not advocating "a world without police, the TSA or the military". I'm advocating following the Constitution.


Daddy govt uses the police, tsa, and military to keep us safe. I have still yet to see anywhere in the over 200 year old Constitiution that says cops can't ask you a question. They aren't searching your car, just having a conversation its hopes of keeping us safe.

I wish we could all go back to how things were over 200 years ago, before any changes in the precious Constitution, they were so perfect.

Slavery was fine and women couldn't vote, they had everything figured out. At least the founding fathers knew they weren't going to be right about everything.
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by Marsha L. » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:27 pm

The "precious" Constitution is what our government was actually founded with. And, they ARE searching your car, on the slightest or fabricated provocation.
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by JustinHammond » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:45 pm

Marsha L. wrote:The "precious" Constitution is what our government was actually founded with. And, they ARE searching your car, on the slightest or fabricated provocation.


Are = will

They can pull you over for the same way. Of all the people I know who have been through a checkpoint, none have had their car searched.

Back to my point, the Constitution wasn't perfect when written and changes will need to be made to deal with the world we currently live in.

The constituiton says I have the right to bear arms, I guess I should be allowed to own a nuke.
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by Marsha L. » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:52 pm

You win, that makes perfect sense :roll:
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Re: Sobriety Checkpoints

by Ed Vermillion » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:01 pm

Read closely the U.S. Constitution gives us the right to "arm bears". Daniel Carroll, the Maryland delegate to the Constitutional Convention, was running a very high fever when he wrote that.
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