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The Custom of Eating Oysters on Christmas Eve

by Jim Greenbrier » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:55 pm

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The departure of Mazzonis threatened the subject Family Custom of five generations as I know...Being Irish, I thought the tradition was of that ethnic group ...However, I found how wrong I was.

I am wondering how many families in Louisville area has had that tradition... Has yours??......and, does anyone know where the tradition originated??

Along with the Irish, Germans, Danes, Italians,French, and Mexicans etc apparently practiced the Eve Ritual too. Evidently, there were/are many ethnic groups, but I m most interested in where it originated.

As a public service, I d like to say my Family visited Flabby s on the Eve once again.. we found the rolled oysters excellent; so, Germantown and previous owner of Mazzonis has provided a source for now ....

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Re: The Custom of Eating Oysters on Christmas Eve

by Robin Garr » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:02 pm

Jim Greenbrier wrote:I am wondering how many families in Louisville area has had that tradition... Has yours??......and, does anyone know where the tradition originated??

Jim, my wife's family ate oyster stew on Christmas Eve. No idea where they got the tradition, though. They were English, mostly, but so far back that they lost the accent. ;)
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Re: The Custom of Eating Oysters on Christmas Eve

by GaryF » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:09 pm

Can't help with the origins but my English/German mother always had oyster stew on Christmas eve.
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Re: The Custom of Eating Oysters on Christmas Eve

by Deb Hall » Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:00 am

Excerpt from an Annapolis newspaper, in an article about trying to trace the origin of this custom:

Roger M. Grace, who wrote "Reminiscing" for the Metropolitan News-Enterprise, pondered the origins of oyster stew on Christmas Eve in a June 17, 2004, column. Mr. Grace referenced a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article from 2002, in which Jerry Apps, an author of Wisconsin history and University of Wisconsin-Madison professor emeritus, was quoted: "By 1900, 50 different ethnic groups were here and each brought along its own costumes, recipes, approaches to the celebration. German celebrations always included, on Christmas Eve, oyster stew."

Mr. Grace's article, as well as others written by Karen Herzog of The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in 1999 and Cathy Benson of Roanoke Times & World News in 2003, concludes that the tradition of oyster stew on Christmas Eve came from the Irish. As Catholics, they were not allowed to eat meat the day before a religious feast. In their native country, they had prepared a stew with a chewy fish called ling, which wasn't available in the United States. Oysters were substituted because of a similar taste.

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Re: The Custom of Eating Oysters on Christmas Eve

by Doogy R » Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:30 am

Personaly, I eat oysters whenever I can. I LOVE that mollusk.
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Re: The Custom of Eating Oysters on Christmas Eve

by Carol C » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:06 am

We ALWAYS had Oyster Stew on Christmas Eve. My family was all from Louisville but, unlike Mary's, were very German. I'm not sure it was a religious thing because they were from the Evangelical and Reform Church which was much like the Episcopal or Lutheran faiths.

Also, on New Year's Day, we ALWAYS had Black-eyed Peas for Health and Cabbage for Wealth in the new year. While I'm not totally crazy about any of the above, we still ALWAYS have them!!!
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Re: The Custom of Eating Oysters on Christmas Eve

by Stephen D » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:16 am

Carol C wrote:Also, on New Year's Day, we ALWAYS had Black-eyed Peas for Health and Cabbage for Wealth in the new year.


Did your family also hide the quarter in the cabbage?

It should also be noted that the winter months are the best time of the year for oysters as they love cold water.
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More Ethnic Groups, but not conclusive !!

by Jim Greenbrier » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:20 am

With a Tureen of Oyster Stew, Christmas Eve Feast Begins

By ROGER M. GRACE

Eating oyster stew on Christmas Eve is a tradition in many families.
It's said to have been started by Irish immigrants who had fled here during the potato famine in the mid-1800s. The immigrants had been accustomed to a Christmas Eve stew containing ling fish, which wasn't available here. John Gleeson, coordinator of the Irish Studies Program at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, was quoted in a 2001 article in The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel as explaining that the Irish substituted oysters, the closest facsimile in taste.
A reason for a seafood dish on Christmas Eve was that eating meat the day before a religious feast was proscribed by the Catholic Church. (In Italy, fish soup, "zuppa di pesce," was likewise consumed.) In "True Christmas Spirit" (1955), Rev. Edward J. Sutfin wrote:
"Since the vigil is a fast day, fish is in order. Whereas in Brittany the codfish takes the honors of the day, American custom associates piping hot oyster stew with Christmas Eve."
In some homes Mexico, Oyster stew ("estofado de ostras") also came to be a dish served on Christmas Eve.
Probably because oyster stew is a warming dish, ideal for winter nights, the custom of serving it on Christmas Eve spread throughout the United States, beyond the Irish and Catholic communities.
Also from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is this information, contained in a 2002 article:
"According to Jerry Apps, University of Wisconsin-Madison professor emeritus and author of numerous books on Wisconsin history: 'By 1900, 50 different ethnic groups were here and each brought along its own costumes, recipes, approaches to the celebration. German celebrations always included, on Christmas Eve, oyster stew.'"
That tradition did not emanate from Germany, the waters there being too cold for oysters to dwell in them.
A Danish American recounts on the rootsweb.com website: "Christmas Eve at Grandpa and Grandma Johnson's always meant oyster stew with little crackers, celery sticks and dessert."
A 1987 article in the Houston Chronicle mentions that in the Gulf area, oyster stew has been "a favorite Christmas Eve dish since the 1800s."
"Oyster stew is what makes Christmas Eve complete for some families," a Cincinnati Post writer observed in a 2002 article, adding: "It's tradition!"
Just as Christmas presents are opened in some families on Christmas Eve, and in others on Christmas morning, oyster stew is served by some as a Yule breakfast or dinner.
According to a column last Christmas in the Roanoke (Va.) Times & World News, "The aroma of oyster stew on Christmas morning infiltrates many homes in the Roanoke Valley."
The columnist, Cathy Benson, related that the tradition in that vicinage went back to the 19th Century. She wrote:
"How to get oysters quickly from the Chesapeake Bay to the Roanoke Valley? The iron horse. According to my 82-year-old father, Jack Thomas, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, none other than the Norfolk and Western Railway carried those perishable but plentiful oysters to Roanoke.
The transportation of oysters is also discussed in "Bill Neal's Southern Cooking" (1989). Neal recounts:
"Before acceptance of refrigerated food transport (for meat only, first, and that was in the 1880s), inland food supplies depended on the weather. Even after the first frost warm spells threatened the integrity of almost any product, especially seafood. Only December, though the fourth 'R' month, guaranteed enough sustained cold weather for shipping. Then, from Baltimore, to Charleston, to New Orleans, oysters were shoveled onto the flat backs of horse-drawn wagons and packed down in wet straw and seaweed for an inland journey sometimes lasting two weeks or more. Far from the coast, oyster became a symbol of the arrival of the winter holiday season, appearing in the markets by Christmas Eve and on the tables that night as oyster stew."
Difficult as it is to imagine, not everyone enjoys oyster stew.
In the December, 2003 issue of an Arizona State University newsletter, Jerry Coursen, a faculty associate, wrote:
"When I was a kid, my father (now deceased) continued a tradition celebrated in his family: the Christmas Eve meal was oyster stew. Growing up, I remember looking forward to oyster stew, then, maybe some caroling or a candlelight service, but the reverie was always quashed by the reality of the fuss that'd ensue as we sat down to the soup. My younger sister hated oyster stew with a passion. We hit kind of a happy compromise when she discovered that the cat would assist her in surreptitiously disposing of her hated oysters."
That was no doubt one happy feline.
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Re: The Custom of Eating Oysters on Christmas Eve

by Carol C » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:27 am

Did your family also hid the quarter in the cabbage?

Stephan,
I don't remember my parents or grandparents hiding money in the cabbage but I do have friends who still adhere to that tradition. Did your family do that?
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Re: The Custom of Eating Oysters on Christmas Eve

by carla griffin » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:32 am

Carol C wrote:Did your family also hid the quarter in the cabbage?

Stephan,
I don't remember my parents or grandparents hiding money in the cabbage but I do have friends who still adhere to that tradition. Did your family do that?


Actually the original tradition was to hide a silver dime. I still do every year an have the original Mercury Head dime my father used for the ritual.
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Re: The Custom of Eating Oysters on Christmas Eve

by Stephen D » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:52 am

carla griffin wrote:
Carol C wrote:Did your family also hid the quarter in the cabbage?

Stephan,
I don't remember my parents or grandparents hiding money in the cabbage but I do have friends who still adhere to that tradition. Did your family do that?


Actually the original tradition was to hide a silver dime. I still do every year an have the original Mercury Head dime my father used for the ritual.


That's right, Carla! Thanks for correcting me.

Can you tell it's been a while since my family did that?

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