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Ryder Cup tips for FOH

by Stephen D » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:01 pm

This post is for the FOH folks. Use what you want, discard the rest...

Pretend you are starting your first day at WDisneyW or Islands of Adventure or Sea World, and I am your trainer. Some of the things I am about to tell you may seem a bit harsh, now, but they aren't meant that way. No ego... after the Ryder Cup tell me how close I am to the truth.

Most importantly, treat everyone like they were your family. Even if you think they are from a culture that doesn't reward your efforts. You will be surprised consistently. With that in mind, here's how to identify certain cultures, their gratuity traditions, and some ideas on how to encourage an appropriate tip...

The United Kingdom and other English speakers- Most love to drink a cup of coffee while they pay their bill. And they only drink 1 cup. Easiest sale ever! Very few drink tea in America (and when they do, they don't do it again)

The Brits: They like their steaks well done (and will order a steak almost every time), will almost universally order Budweiser sans glass, and generally are the easiest people to take care of. Pretty much, an anvil could fall on the table, and they still have a good time. They tip 10% standard, unless they know better, and then they go to 15%. Rarely 20%...

The Scotts: Ask a man a yes or no question, and if he says 'Aye,' they're Scottish. A bit looser than the Brits, on average, they like to tip 12% to 17%. They are also prone to the 'exceptional tip', but it has less to do with actual job performance and more to do with how much they like the server. And they like the outgoing American stereotype. They will talk to you all night! So find the balance.

The Irish :
Northern- Every time I have had interactions with them, they come in large, extended families. Almost to the person, they have very dark hair, and an angular look to their facial structure. Super- sweet, I have always felt it a pleasure to be in their company, so haven't really tried to maximize their tips. Besides, parties that size get a gratuity.
Southern- The accent is English, but it is sung more than it is spoken. They love Americans, but do not share the Scott's thoroughness (I guess that's the word.) They will laugh at your jokes, but aren't fans of you hanging out at the table shooting cheddar. In and out, is my experience. They tip in between the Scotts and the Brits, 12-14% unless informed

The Aussies- I have lost the ability to distinguish their accents from the Brits (for shame!) As I remember it, their dialect is very similar to S London, just a bit looser. I might be wrong on this one, but I believe the word 'mate' is passe' to them. By the way, they hate being called British, as they have their own history. They won't pitch a fit, but they will secretly hold it against you. When in doubt, pay attention to the skin. They almost always look the healthiest. And that doesn't necessarily mean tanned, just the lack of 'blue,' if you get me. They are generally 18 to 20% tippers, but my experience is 5 years old...

The South Africans- Forget it, you will never peg one. They might be of Chinese descent, might be Germanic, they simply are one of the most diverse ethnic travelers in the world. The Morrocans and Swiss might have it on number of languages spoken, but when it comes to assimilated ethnicities, S Africa rules. 18% all day.

OK, the Canadiens know better and yet they consistently tip 10% Think hockey. The meal is always you getting board- checked with some sarcastic remark. And then they tip, as I said, 10%. And yet I always try to 'kill them with kindness.' Maybe this go around, I return their remarks with some snappy retorts. Kind of like (whatever)'s Last Chance. As a Disney brat, it is SOOO hard for me to do it, though. I'll probably just take my lickin's yet again...

The Germanic/ Slavs/ Nords- Wow, what a huge geographical category! I will make it easy, though...

~ If they start singing group songs, bring a lot of alcohol and strap in for a long night. You, my friend, just hit the jackpot! Someone will be naming their first- born after you before it is all done! Oh, by the way, they WILL try to get you just as smashed as them. I have even had a disgruntled Swede call my manager to the table to gripe at him because I couldn't accept the gracious gift he took it upon himself to give me.

~ If they go out of their way to explain to you they aren't from Germany, expect 18- 20%

~ If they know their order after looking at the menu for 56 seconds, and then place their order without any emotion, questions, or interaction, they probably are German. Old School. 10% to the penny, every time. Turn and burn the table, that's what they want you to do anyways. Honest!

The Eastern Block and Russian cultures I have very little experience with.

The French- Just roll the dice. They are each and of themselves. Some men kill themselves to be the first one to grab the check. Usually not a good sign. 15% Then you get THE FRENCHMAN. He will leave the check on the table till the last possible minute and then drop his card in quickly. Just to see if you were available. It doesn't matter, cause he's gonna tip you like he's your grandfather, anyways. He's everyone's grandfather, if you get my drift.

The Latin cultures require their own little set of rules, and they all revolve around sex. Being a man, I can only give you my gender- based experience. If the lady talks to you, answer politely, but never look her in the eyes for longer than necessary. Always drop your gaze quickly. I know, I know, she is beautiful in a classic way and it's hard to look away... but he generally pays the bill (even when they put it on her card.) 20% standard for the Spaniards (expect any less?), 10 to 15% for the South Americans. If they are from South America and she orders you around like a servant, bet she will pay the bill (cause she holds the strings) and bet she will 10% you.

The Japaneese are like the Germans, but 18% is their norm. They appreciate efficiency and eloquence and warm up to a good kowtow (or 15.) I always love taking care of them because they are so appreciative of the gift of hospitality. Still the same tip, whether the service was four or three star, but you can tell when they really enjoy the experience, because they chatter all the way out the door.

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Re: Ryder Cup tips for FOH

by David R. Pierce » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:35 pm

Nicely done Stephen. I hope someone will post their experiences so we can determine if you really know your stuff. 8)
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Re: Ryder Cup tips for FOH

by Jackie R. » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:43 pm

Whether or not the responses are in line, you obviously do know your stuff. What a cool read.
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Re: Ryder Cup tips for FOH

by Stephen D » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:47 pm

David R. Pierce wrote:Nicely done Stephen. I hope someone will post their experiences so we can determine if you really know your stuff. 8)


Hehe. 8 years in Orlando qualifies me as a Floridian. It will be interesting to see if things have changed in the past 5 years. There were some well- organized efforts back then. In Otown, almost every restaurant has a PR dept, if that gives you any idea.
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Re: Ryder Cup tips for FOH

by TP Lowe » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:45 pm

Goodness. Some very interesting generalizations, some of which seem accurate (and some of which ....). Look forward to seeing reports as we go through Ryder week.
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Re: Ryder Cup tips for FOH

by Keith D Heath » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:58 pm

Great post! I really hope that it prompts some responses from servers and local dinners once the "dang foreigners" start rolling into town. I think Ryder Cup could make for a really interesting week! :D
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Re: Ryder Cup tips for FOH

by Bill D » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:59 pm

Stephen,

Great post, but you forgot the crowd (of all the nations)that will dominate the Ryder Cup. I'll start w/" God" of your choice" love 'em." The seniors. They will run your a$$ into the ground and then ask for more(or less sugar) in the sweet tea..Etc....Kill "em W/kindness is all you can do here. Turn and burn is the best bet, and don't expect much from the Depression Era folk. No offense to an elder generation,but it is what it is. Salud
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Re: Ryder Cup tips for FOH

by Rob_DeLessio » Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:18 pm

Stephen,

Nice jobm but why mention "Aussies, the Japanese, South Africans, or Canadians"? The Ryder Cup is Europe -vs- USA, we will be inundated with about 20K - 25K Europeans from here or overseas. A lot of what you said is accurate, but honestly one of the things that they will first eat is a hamburger, being that they haven't eaten them in about 6 years....all in all our city will see an influx of about $160 million, not a bad 2-3 weeks...(yes I know the Ryder Cup is only one week)
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Re: Ryder Cup tips for FOH

by Stephen D » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:27 pm

Rob_DeLessio wrote:Stephen,

Nice jobm but why mention "Aussies, the Japanese, South Africans, or Canadians"? The Ryder Cup is Europe -vs- USA, we will be inundated with about 20K - 25K Europeans from here or overseas. A lot of what you said is accurate, but honestly one of the things that they will first eat is a hamburger, being that they haven't eaten them in about 6 years....all in all our city will see an influx of about $160 million, not a bad 2-3 weeks...(yes I know the Ryder Cup is only one week)


I am taking it for granted that the event will draw golf fanatics of many nationalities.
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Re: Ryder Cup tips for FOH

by GaryF » Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:05 am

I worked for 10 years in a steakhouse 4 blocks from the UN and I must say that your characterizations and mostly right on, Stephen.
Here's a tip to anyone serving steaks to the French or Germans- they really, really don't like char of any kind on their meat. Many pounds of steak went into the trash until we learned to cater to their preferences.
I hope this doesn't sound like bashing- it is just a hard earned lesson.

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