LEO-LHB; Incredible Daves flawed inspiration

[Robin Garr]

Many thanks to Kevin Gibson for an ounstanding job in the LEO LHB pulpit this week. Cheers to him!
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I already got that impression from Incredible Dave's before reading the review. Still, nice to hear the confirmation.

I will be surprised if the IPL inspectors don't show up. You can't have kids sitting in the bar, can you?

Any bar area has to be segregated from the rest of the restaurant with some sort of delineation line like a wall or half wall. If kids are found within that area, well, it could be a bad bad thing endangering their liquor license. This habit of allowing kids not only in the bar area but actually sitting at the bar shows either ignorance of licensing laws or appalling disregard.

I can think of several examples where the "bar" is not segregated from the dining room at all: Jack Fry's, Melillo's, Ramsi's and Palermo Viejo, for example. My husband and I have been dining out with our daughter, who is now 14, since she was an infant. We have waited for a table at restaurants all over town at the bar, both sitting and standing, and we have only been told we could not do so and asked to wait elsewhere twice in all that time. What exactly are the rules on this? Does anyone know

I believe minors are not allowed to sit at the bar. They are permitted to sit at tables in the area of the bar if accompanied by someone over 21.

I believe minors are not allowed to sit at the bar. They are permitted to sit at tables in the area of the bar if accompanied by someone over 21.

That has been my understanding if it is a bar/restaurant. If it a bar only, like our Taproom, no minors are allowed, period.

Exactly. I should have clarified I was referring to a bar in a restaurant.

I can think of several examples where the "bar" is not segregated from the dining room at all: Jack Fry's, Melillo's, Ramsi's and Palermo Viejo, for example. My husband and I have been dining out with our daughter, who is now 14, since she was an infant. We have waited for a table at restaurants all over town at the bar, both sitting and standing, and we have only been told we could not do so and asked to wait elsewhere twice in all that time. What exactly are the rules on this? Does anyone know

I think there's a BIG difference in the atmosphere of the above mentioned restaurants and Incredible Dave's unless Jack Fry's has added a ball jump that I'm not aware of. None of the restaurants you mentioned promote themselves as a family or kid friendly atmosphere (although you can certainly take your kids) and ID does identify themselves along those lines. I stand by what I said earlier and bet that if ID wants to keep the concept they are promoting ... food - games - alcohol... they may find themselves making some carpentry changes.

[Robin Garr]

I think there's a BIG difference in the atmosphere of the above mentioned restaurants and Incredible Dave's unless Jack Fry's has added a ball jump that I'm not aware of. None of the restaurants you mentioned promote themselves as a family or kid friendly atmosphere (although you can certainly take your kids) and ID does identify themselves along those lines. I stand by what I said earlier and bet that if ID wants to keep the concept they are promoting ... food - games - alcohol... they may find themselves making some carpentry changes.

Carla, I think you have hit the nail right on the head. Good call!

Well, I know one place I WILL NOT take my grandkids to when they visit. If he wants to let the drunks to play in the ball pool, make it an adults only playgound. I understand the need for an adult beverage on ocassion, but the stories I have seen here and heard from other sources make me worry about the safety of those children going home with intoxicated drivers, too.

I believe minors are not allowed to sit at the bar. They are permitted to sit at tables in the area of the bar if accompanied by someone over 21.

That has been my understanding if it is a bar/restaurant. If it a bar only, like our Taproom, no minors are allowed, period.

Stacy and David, thank you for your responses. What you're saying has always been my belief and understanding as well, and I posted my question hoping someone could confirm that once and for all. Maybe the owner of a restaurant with a 'non-segregated' bar could help us out?

http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/KRS/244-00/085.PDF
The above link was all I could find on line regarding KY Liq. laws. Item #6 seems to cover what we've been addressing in this thread, however, everything seems to be written rather vaguely. It mentions nothing about minors [i]sitting at the bar[i][/i][/i and yet anyone that's ever been in the restaurant business knows that allowing that is a no no.
Elevated bar areas with 1/2 walls around them in restaurants such as Fridays and Applebees are not just aesthetically designed. They serve as a demarcation of the bar area allowing ABC regulators some sort of footing when reviewing complaints about minors in establishments where alcohol is served. There may or may not be a LAW that says a restaurant MUST do it but most family restaurants frequently do.

I was practically raised in Fat Cats. No permanent scars.

The way it was described to me when we first went over all the laws and in conversation with officials was that anyone underaged cannot sit directly at the bar. They can sit at a table in the bar area as long as food is still served in that area. If there is a time that your establishment ceases to serve food (like we do an hour before endig bar service) then you must kick all the youngins out.