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by christopher stockton » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:35 pm

Bradley C. Pearce wrote:I'm still sort of lost on where cloning is better than artificial inseminating. I'm not being facetious but does anyone know? Is it to grow them faster?


It IS NOT to grow them faster. It's about breeding/developing the perfect animal and the pecentages in doing so. In a "nut shell" (no pun intended). When breeding "the old fasioned way" both sire and dam will carry dormant chromsomes (as far as 3-4 generations back) that can, but not always be undesirable. When you clone, you get that exact animal that was cloned, and any undesirable traits would stay dormant.

Try and think of it like if you were to breed athletes :? Just b/c you (hypothetically speaking sp?) breed Michael Jordan w/ Sheryl Swoops doesn't guarentee a superstar basketball player. It increases your chances 10 fold, but no guarentee. But if you were to clone MJ, that would be a guarentee. Like I said this is the "short version". I'd be more specific but I'm going to be late for work


That makes sense... wow! Thanks. I know they supposedly are able to weed out the weak gene animals at an early age I wonder what they will do with those animals?
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by Ron Johnson » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:46 pm

Cheap corporate meat? Sounds delicious. Now every McDonalds can have a lab in the back where they make the meat. No more frozen patty deliveries from the semi truck.
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by christopher stockton » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:58 pm

Ron Johnson wrote:Cheap corporate meat? Sounds delicious. Now every McDonalds can have a lab in the back where they make the meat. No more frozen patty deliveries from the semi truck.


Exactly... Genetically modified taco shells and cloned meat and we will never know.
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by Mark Head » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:03 pm

christopher stockton wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:Cheap corporate meat? Sounds delicious. Now every McDonalds can have a lab in the back where they make the meat. No more frozen patty deliveries from the semi truck.


Exactly... Genetically modified taco shells and cloned meat and we will never know.


Given the chemicals, additives, contaminants, high sodium, and God knows what else in most processed food...cloning is the least of my health concerns. We eat organic for many produce items and dairy - we also try to avoid processed and packaged foods; however, sometimes convienience rules.
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by Ron Johnson » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:33 pm

What's more convenient than meat you can make in a petri dish?
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by Dan Thomas » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:11 am

The problem is that every thing is so driven to the BOTTOM Line these days..
I would love to have all local meat and produce(in season of course) but it pains me to admit...
Its cheaper to get everything from the local purveyors that may have been locked in price and then sold on the margin....

I don't understand how in the hell I can buy from most local suppliers a gallon of peeled garlic from China that cost around 17.00. How long was that peeled garlic sitting on the boat? I would love to buy the same thing from a local farmer but they would probably charge me up to four times as much for basically the the same thing!!!!

That wouldn't help my P@L at the end of the month!!!

I can't wait until the end of summer when most produce is good, ripe, plentyful, and, CHEAP!
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by Ron Johnson » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:21 am

Dan Thomas wrote:The problem is that every thing is so driven to the BOTTOM Line these days..
I would love to have all local meat and produce(in season of course) but it pains me to admit...
Its cheaper to get everything from the local purveyors that may have been locked in price and then sold on the margin....

I don't understand how in the hell I can buy from most local suppliers a gallon of peeled garlic from China that cost around 17.00. How long was that peeled garlic sitting on the boat? I would love to buy the same thing from a local farmer but they would probably charge me up to four times as much for basically the the same thing!!!!

That wouldn't help my P@L at the end of the month!!!

I can't wait until the end of summer when most produce is good, ripe, plentyful, and, CHEAP!


This is why poor people eat such a bad diet and develop diabetes, obesity, elevated cholesterol, hypertension, etc. They have to buy the cheapest food, which is the crappiest food. This is one of the reasons we need to bring farmer's markets back to the poor urban areas.
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by Will Crawford » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:26 pm

I hear what you are saying but if there are farmers markets in the urban areas will that food be cheap enough. There already is a market at Mazeke Middle school during the season. I wonder if it draws a crowd.
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by Mark Head » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:58 pm

There are a couple of Farmer's Markets in the Brownsboro Rd area in the summer. There is one at The Temple on the corner of Lime Kiln and Hwy 42 and another at the Episcopal church at Wolf Penn Branch Rd...one afternoon a week; however, they sell relatively high end produce and organic products. The cost is on par with Whole Foods.

We frequent both but it's not because we save money.
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by Mark Head » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:01 pm

Will Crawford wrote:I hear what you are saying but if there are farmers markets in the urban areas will that food be cheap enough. There already is a market at Mazeke Middle school during the season. I wonder if it draws a crowd.


The one's I mentioned are crowded and some vendors frequently sell out. There is a meat vender from Henry County I think who sells wonderful beef at The Temple market.
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by John Hagan » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:52 pm

[quote="Will Crawford"]I hear what you are saying but if there are farmers markets in the urban areas will that food be cheap enough. /quote]
We sell at alot of farmers markets and I know of plenty of vendors that accept the WIC vouchers. These are basically like a food stamp that can be used at farmers markets. Works out pretty good for both the producer and the cutomer. They also have a program quite similar for the seniors. I am pretty sure more info can be found at the KDA website.
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