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Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health code v

by Doogy R » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:15 pm

Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health code violations


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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by Mike L » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:31 pm

Sorry to see some big named independents on that list.
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by Ray Griffith » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:09 am

92 is a C?

I was happy to score 92 in my schoolin' days!
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by Robin Garr » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:48 am

We've discussed health inspections at great length before. A "C" represents a critical violation that earns the restaurant a black mark even if it's a one-time offense that was corrected immediately. Jug of Clorox mistakenly put away with food. Refrigerator temp a few degrees too warm. This can happen in the context of an otherwise solid inspection, hence a C and a 92.

I would be much more concerned about a place that earns consistent Bs, indicating a slacker approach, than a one-time C that was instantly repaired.

Frankly, Business First is running these things without explanation (and maybe without even really understanding the inspection system) in order to get attention.
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by Leah S » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:40 am

^ this. yes.
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by Adriel Gray » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:54 am

It is a weak business model to brand yourself as "Louisville Business First" and then use click bait tactics to paint Louisville Businesses like this. Without proper context or deep knowledge of how this system of inspections work it penalizes businesses for complying with a more involved inspection process than the article even hints at. Having known inspectors they would tell you this type of reactionary journalism hurts the process too that they are trying to work in.
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by Jeff Cavanaugh » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:02 am

Adriel Gray wrote:It is a weak business model to brand yourself as "Louisville Business First" and then use click bait tactics to paint Louisville Businesses like this. Without proper context or deep knowledge of how this system of inspections work it penalizes businesses for complying with a more involved inspection process than the article even hints at. Having known inspectors they would tell you this type of reactionary journalism hurts the process too that they are trying to work in.


The system needs overhauling. The city can't require simple A, B, C letter grades to be posted with none of that context or explanation and then have inspectors get mad that people are looking at them simplistically. I know too many people who refuse to eat anywhere that doesn't have an A, and my attempts to explain it to them are futile.

At the very least, the C grade needs to be bifurcated into something like "Temporary C - Reinspection in __ Days" and "Permanent C." Or something like that.
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by Robin Garr » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:15 am

Jeff Cavanaugh wrote: "Permanent C."

I think that exists. It's also known as "CLOSED, by order of the Metro Health Department." :mrgreen:
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by Adriel Gray » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:50 pm

Jeff Cavanaugh wrote:The system needs overhauling. The city can't require simple A, B, C letter grades to be posted with none of that context or explanation and then have inspectors get mad that people are looking at them simplistically. I know too many people who refuse to eat anywhere that doesn't have an A, and my attempts to explain it to them are futile.

At the very least, the C grade needs to be bifurcated into something like "Temporary C - Reinspection in __ Days" and "Permanent C." Or something like that.


Right on. It is so clunky and stupid to give the same "score" to someone you are about to shut down, as a place that is certainly going to be in compliance when the inspector comes back in the week they agreed upon to correct the mistake. The inspectors know full well the chef and business owner that they have spoken to and have worked with for years are gonna be in compliance because the if the infraction was a real imminent danger they would have shut the doors.
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by Leah S » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:01 pm

So what exactly did that one with a "Cease and Desist" result in? (I understand the words.) Does that mean immediate closure? Or shut down for the rest of the day to fix things?

Since I'm most familiar with food trucks, I do know of a truck who's water line broke about the time service started. No one knew until the inspector hoped on board right as service started and turned the water faucet on. Of course that was a close the window and drive to the plumber's shop right now situation.

How does the C&D work in a brick and mortar?
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by SilvioM » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:45 pm

The letter grades are so all over the place that it becomes meaningless. I agree that an overhaul is needed.

I do not agree that the BF article is mere clickbait. The details are helpful, so I can determine which infractions matter to me (presence of rodents/insects, toxic items not properly stored, infected person with coughing/runny nose not restricted) and which do not (employee drinks without lids and straws, anything that is noted as being corrected).
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by Robin Garr » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:06 pm

SilvioM wrote:I do not agree that the BF article is mere clickbait. The details are helpful, so I can determine which infractions matter to me (presence of rodents/insects, toxic items not properly stored, infected person with coughing/runny nose not restricted) and which do not (employee drinks without lids and straws, anything that is noted as being corrected).

Okay, I see your point on that, Silvio. But I still think BF is dubious in the way they do it, just post a big headline and let the reader decide what to do. Even a basic, boilerplate discussion of what the "C" means and how the rating system works would help.

That list is available in public and doesn't take any work to get. But most of the media doesn't just blast it out without comment every month. Is BF more imterested in our health and safety than anyone else? Mmmmm ...
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Re: Nearly 50 Metro Louisville restaurants receive health co

by SilvioM » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:33 pm

Robin Garr wrote: and let the reader decide what to do


Again, that's what I like about it. I can read it, click on the links for further info, and decide what matters and what does not. If they only listed grades, then I would have a problem with it, but details and context are given, as they say they do every quarter. The list is public and they are reporting on it. It's fine.

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