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LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Adam C » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:52 pm

This is all over my facebook news feed. Has anyone on here ever been to Cahoots? What are your thoughts on this?

http://thevillevoice.com/2014/09/11/lmp ... es-no-one/

Youtube video of the bust is embedded in the link.
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Mark R. » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:19 pm

Looks like it was done very professionally by the PD, I wonder how many arrests if any were made?
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by RonnieD » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:21 pm

We were thrown out of Cahoots a few times in my younger days. It has always been a dive, but it was a little bit more respectable at one point. Of late, I hear nothing but gun and knife club reports. I was not aware it was also a drug den, but given clientele, I am not surprised.
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Robin Garr » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:07 pm

Mark R. wrote:Looks like it was done very professionally by the PD, I wonder how many arrests if any were made?

Cahoots' FB page indicates only one. There's a lot of talk of illegal searches, and it seems that more than one lawyer is interested in taking it on as a case.

https://www.facebook.com/CahootsLouisville
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Robin Garr » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:09 pm

Here's a link to the specific discussion about the event on the Cahoots page:

https://www.facebook.com/CahootsLouisvi ... 37?fref=nf
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Robin Garr » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:49 pm

Here's a direct link to a short video of the event. This is not a legal search. Not even if a place is full of druggies, you don't line up people against a wall and search them all, without a warrant and without cause. Sorry. Not in our town. Not in our name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ubSHKgFwF8&sns=fb
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by RonnieD » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:55 pm

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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Mike Hardin » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:12 pm

ACLU to the white courtesy phone. Paging the ACLU.
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Bill P » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:17 pm

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you, that LMPD would ever be involved in any kind of illegal search.
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Adriel Gray » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:34 pm

I've seen quite a bit about this... Looks like quite the shakedown. I love the show of hands of who has drugs on them, like middle school.

I would be ticked if I went to a bar and had to get frisked to leave though. Just saying. :?
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Doug Davis » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:20 pm

A) If LMPD had a search warrant then searching the premises and the people on it is perfectly legal. I havent heard if they did or did not, but you cant just blatantly call the search illegal without knowing.

B) This is more than likely related to the fact that a UofL cheerleader just OD'd on heroin in the past 48hrs. Things like that dont make for good publicity.
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Andrew Mellman » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:34 pm

Robin Garr wrote:Here's a direct link to a short video of the event. This is not a legal search. Not even if a place is full of druggies, you don't line up people against a wall and search them all, without a warrant and without cause. Sorry. Not in our town. Not in our name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ubSHKgFwF8&sns=fb


While the law is not as "black and white" as one might hope, this may very well be a wholly legal search. The question is why ABC was there . . . if there had been illegal alcohol consumption and/or drug use there, and these customers were at a location known for such illegal activity, then a police officer may detain a person and frisk him or her for weapons (and frisk for identification to determine if they are underage or not, and frisk for drugs to determine whether they might be dealing). The key question is "reasonable suspicion" - is activity going on there that would lead a reasonable police officer to believe that criminal activity (underage purchasing, drug dealing, etc.) is going on.

Assuming that ABC officers had reports of such activity, or that undercover ABC officers had seen such activity, then they would have obtained a warrant to go into the bar and search it. If the police were relying on that activity, and the resultant warrant, then likely the search was lawful. This is a long-winded way of saying that it may NOT have been "without cause!"

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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Jimmy R » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:35 pm

According to attorney Thomas Clay who was just on WDRB, the police did not have a warrant. They stated that they were "helping" the ABC.
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by John H » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:34 am

That place is a public nuisance.
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Re: LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

by Doug Davis » Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:07 am

Jimmy R wrote:According to attorney Thomas Clay who was just on WDRB, the police did not have a warrant. They stated that they were "helping" the ABC.



Then in that case unless you are being arrested the police may only search your physical person with your permission, otherwise they may conduct a quick pat down/frisk for weapons to ensure their own safety but cant go through pockets and such.
They can ask you to turn your pockets inside out, if you voluntarily do so that is on you. You have no obligation to do so.
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