Mark R. wrote:It's an interesting concept restaurant that I'm glad of coming to Louisville, the problem is where it's located! While I prefer local restaurants instead of chains I'll definitely go to a chain for a different experience on occasion and I'm not normally picky about where a restaurant is but 4SL is an exception to that! I've heard of a couple of other Churrascaria's are going to be coming to Louisville so I guess I'll have to wait for them to open.
Steve P wrote: Christ on a crutch...Here we go again...The quarterly 4SL diatribe.Ya'll -really- need to get over this...Fourth Street Live is here and it's probably not going away. So either just get used to it or get some therapy to help get ya through.
Adam C
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Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:43 pm
Camp Taylor aka Louisville's food desert
James Bibb wrote:This particular restaurant is being opened by an independent operator and is not part of the Cordish Group.
The owner and his General Manager are natives of Brazil and have operated a restaurant by the same name in Knoxville.
They are delightful gentlemen who seem to be professional and sincere hosts to everyone that enters their establishment.
I'm pulling for the success of another great independent operator in our city and am excited for them.
Mark R. wrote:James Bibb wrote:This particular restaurant is being opened by an independent operator and is not part of the Cordish Group.
The owner and his General Manager are natives of Brazil and have operated a restaurant by the same name in Knoxville.
They are delightful gentlemen who seem to be professional and sincere hosts to everyone that enters their establishment.
I'm pulling for the success of another great independent operator in our city and am excited for them.
I had already read where the restaurant was an independent operator and not part of the Cordish Group which am very glad to hear. However, that doesn't temper my disdain for 4SL! I wish they had located someplace other than there, if they had I would be welcoming them with open arms and be planning on visiting very soon. I think they would have done much better in the Louisville market and drawn from a better demographic if they had located elsewhere.
James Natsis wrote:As for me, in spite of my adamant adherence to the "keep Louisville weird" motto and lifestyle, I'm also a pragmatist and I understand general business and development models. Anyone who thinks the flurry of new hotels and bourbon distilleries (Evan Williams, Michter's, Peerless) locating downtown are unrelated to 4SL and the Yum Center are out of touch with reality. Admittedly, I'm a bit nervous about the impending Omni/Cordish development project. But in order to have a vibrant Nulu, fourth st, Main St Museum district,(and even the Highlands) etc., we must have a healthy economic ecosystem that calls for a few corporate structures imbedded within. The question is more along the lines of "how much?" A significant group of visitors who come downtown for business, conventions, etc. want to be entertained in ways that many of us don't find appealing. Nonetheless, if you don't have at least a critical mass of these creature comforts you'll parish as a city and be left in the dust.
Robin Garr wrote:I actually agree with most of this. My remaining concern, however, is a deep one: American's great tourist cities don't rely on a generic entertainment hub like Fourth Street Life for their identity or as their economic development engine. Duval Street, Bourbon Street, Beale Street, Pioneer Square, West Sixth ... I'd really to see Louisville make it on the basis of something unique and characterful, not a franchise center where a convention-goer can get a drink, call home, and say, "Hi, honey! I'm having a great time in ... uhhhh ... where in the $#)* AM I?"
Charles W. wrote:I generally agree with Robin that the best places are rooted in more than a development idea; however, when I first visited San Antonio I loved the "authentic" riverwalk only to find out that it is completely contrived as a tourist magnet. Same with the urban mall in Denver (can't remember it's name). Sometimes the places rooted in history turn out to be just more removed from when they were contrived developments
Robin Garr wrote:James Natsis wrote:As for me, in spite of my adamant adherence to the "keep Louisville weird" motto and lifestyle, I'm also a pragmatist and I understand general business and development models. Anyone who thinks the flurry of new hotels and bourbon distilleries (Evan Williams, Michter's, Peerless) locating downtown are unrelated to 4SL and the Yum Center are out of touch with reality. Admittedly, I'm a bit nervous about the impending Omni/Cordish development project. But in order to have a vibrant Nulu, fourth st, Main St Museum district,(and even the Highlands) etc., we must have a healthy economic ecosystem that calls for a few corporate structures imbedded within. The question is more along the lines of "how much?" A significant group of visitors who come downtown for business, conventions, etc. want to be entertained in ways that many of us don't find appealing. Nonetheless, if you don't have at least a critical mass of these creature comforts you'll parish as a city and be left in the dust.
I actually agree with most of this. My remaining concern, however, is a deep one: American's great tourist cities don't rely on a generic entertainment hub like Fourth Street Life for their identity or as their economic development engine. Duval Street, Bourbon Street, Beale Street, Pioneer Square, West Sixth ... I'd really to see Louisville make it on the basis of something unique and characterful, not a franchise center where a convention-goer can get a drink, call home, and say, "Hi, honey! I'm having a great time in ... uhhhh ... where in the $#)* AM I?"
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