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Dark Ages of school food

by Nimbus Couzin » Thu May 02, 2013 7:26 pm

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/05 ... foodinc-fb

I know we have one member here who is closely involved in school menus.

Quite frankly, I see them and I am disgusted with the food I keep seeing on the menus year after year after year in the public schools. My oldest boy is in 4th grade. We don't get school lunches because they're costly and unhealthy, but I do care about the rest of our community.

Here's what I'm talking about. http://www.jefferson.kyschools.us/Depar ... unchel.pdf
It is sort of gourmet versions of the same unhealthy foods that were offered decades ago. Hasn't nutrition science and medicine progressed at all?

Dan (I hope I have the right name), can't we do better somehow? It still seems too close to the tater tots and tostino's style pizza I remember from thirty-forty years ago. Really, what gives?

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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by RonnieD » Thu May 02, 2013 8:23 pm

I am forever scarred by the box of school pizzas I once saw that said on its label "sausage pizza with cheese substitute." I cannot fathom what a proper substitute for cheese on a pizza might be, but I do not want to eat it. Nor do I want to find out what else has been substituted.

In my time working with Dan, I can attest to his hard work and dedication to improving the eating conditions in the JCPS, but there are limits to what one devoted chef and his team can do. There are all kinds of other issues including, but not limited to, FDA, budgets, and childhood eating trends, that come into play that are bigger than all of us (to quote Mr. Ed)
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Suzi Bernert » Thu May 02, 2013 10:49 pm

It looks much better than the menu in my school days, lot better than my older kids got, better than my youngest got. I see more vegetables, fruit and whole grains. I see meatless options. I also see fairly healthy food that kids will EAT. Not all kids are educated like yours. A lot of them are eating a lot worse at home, so offering them healthy, unfamiliar food means they may not eat it and get a less healthy option at the corner store. I know they schools are trying to offer better and trying to educate the kids in nutrition.

I hope Dan Thomas can answer your questions, I know he is dedicated to to exposing these children to the best possible food choices. I am glad you are educating yours and can send a good meal with your child. We did, too, especially with our youngest. Mostly because he did not like school lunch, he wanted "lettuce chips", "apple cookies" and brussel sprouts (his favorite). :D
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by DanB » Fri May 03, 2013 2:46 am

I have nothing but good memories of school lunch 40 years ago. Our fave was Cincy style chili with a peanut butter sandwich to dip in it. Nom Nom Nom
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Carla G » Fri May 03, 2013 8:35 am

DanB wrote:I have nothing but good memories of school lunch 40 years ago. Our fave was Cincy style chili with a peanut butter sandwich to dip in it. Nom Nom Nom


I guess lunches differed from school to school. I remember pretty good meals at my school. We had made from scratch vegetable soup, yeast rolls, pretty good chili (although the spaghetti in it was cooked to death). We also had these great peanut butter/oatmeal/honey no bake cookies. Bottom line there was less processed food on the menu then. (Heck! There was so much less processed food anywhere then!)
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Mark R. » Fri May 03, 2013 12:31 pm

While I'm certainly glad to see that the school is giving the children better food. I'm very disturbed by the fact that it's Vegan! Vegan should be a choice, not the only option. The percentage of the population that eat this type of diet is quite small in relation to the entire population and mandating it for everyone is not a good thing to be doing IMHO. Especially for growing children, I still have some health concerns with this type of diet.
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Carla G » Fri May 03, 2013 1:05 pm

Mark R. wrote:While I'm certainly glad to see that the school is giving the children better food. I'm very disturbed by the fact that it's Vegan! Vegan should be a choice, not the only option. The percentage of the population that eat this type of diet is quite small in relation to the entire population and mandating it for everyone is not a good thing to be doing IMHO. Especially for growing children, I still have some health concerns with this type of diet.

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Did we look at the same school menus? I saw chicken patties, sausage pancakes, cheeseburgers, hotdogs, cheese pizzas. Nothing vegan about any of that. I wouldn't be jacked out of shape about SOME meat but it does look like most of the meats offered are those very high in nitrates. That I have a problem with.
Having said all this I bet, given the pennies the school system is given to feed all those kids they must feel like they are expected to feed the multitudes with a loaf of bread and two fish.
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Suzi Bernert » Fri May 03, 2013 1:19 pm

the first link was to an article about an NYC elementary school going all vegetarian for their breakfasts and lunches.
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Carla G » Fri May 03, 2013 2:52 pm

Suzi Bernert wrote:the first link was to an article about an NYC elementary school going all vegetarian for their breakfasts and lunches.


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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Steve P » Fri May 03, 2013 3:31 pm

:? ......Personally, I think this whole school lunch thing is a conspiracy coming right out of the Obama Administration.... :wink: ...Seriously though, even after all these years, I still long for a good school lunch Sloppy (Sloppy) Joe...Served up by:

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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Dan Thomas » Sat May 04, 2013 2:25 pm

Nimbus Couzin wrote:We don't get school lunches because they're costly and unhealthy, but I do care about the rest of our community.

Here's what I'm talking about. http://www.jefferson.kyschools.us/Depar ... unchel.pdf


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I hear this all the time about how "unhealthy" school lunches are perceived to be and why can't we make them better. I can attest that they are very nutritional. If you happen to notice on the menus, vegetarian entree options are sometimes available. As well as several fresh fruit and vegetable options. If you look closer the fat grams are listed as well as all the whole grain options. Nothing is deep fried. As a matter of fact all of the food items served are made to be reheated in a combi steamer oven or are oven baked from frozen.
For me as chef, when I started at JCPS, I had many of the same opinons of Nutritional Services that you have voiced. It would seem frustrating to a concerned parent that has no understanding of how the USDA National School Lunch Program is admininstered, to wonder how things get changed. Here is some light reading on the subject. :lol: http://www.fns.usda.gov/slp
You might find the link to the nutritional standards for meals to be interesting. The days of ketchup being considered a vegetable are long past. I would also suggest watching the very informative documentary "Lunch Line" that shows the challenges of administering and executing the National School Lunch Program (NSLP) at the district level.
You also have to understand that JCPS is large, urban school district of 100,000 students. One of the lesser known facts is that almost 65% of those students qualify for a free/reduced breakfast & lunch. The money to pay for those almost 7 out of 10 students that JCPS receives from the USDA to provide those free breakfast and lunches is a whopping $2.69 per student. We are pretty much beholden to the standards set forth in the policies of the NSLP as that money is essentially what drives the JCPS Nutrition Services Department. Once you consider that after you pay for equipment, labor, disposables and the transportation of the food, there is $1.40 left that actually makes it onto the plate. And that's for two meals a day. :shock: I personally challenge anyone to provide for your child two meals a day, with the varitey we offer, a fresh fruit and vegetable option and milk for that price.

Twelve years ago, the district made the move to centralize food services to a commissary where cost, consistancy and quality of the food items can be controled. JCPS is suprisingly one of the few large districts in the country that do this. I would be happy to take you on a tour of the JCPS Nutrition Service Center when my schedule allows. We are very proud of our facility where we make over 60 of the menu items, including soups, entree items, fresh baked whole grain rolls and muffins from the bakery and fresh salads that use local produce when in season that are served in schools. The chicken patties, pizza and the like are either "processed commodities" we receive from the USDA as entitlement foods from surplus (one of my least favorite subjects altogether that is a policy decision and not a choice) or bid items that are the lowest priced items we can find that have met the nutritional standards as outlined by the USDA-NSLP

Now considering the challenges of meeting the nutritional standards, with food that the students will actually eat, with the money that we have available, JCPS Nutrition Services is actually at the forefront and consisdered to be a leader in school foodservice. We have as a district won several national awards for our efforts in using local products. Two years ago we began using as much local produce and meat that we can afford and can be sourced. Remember that school is out in the summer at the height of the growing season, so we proccess and freeze things like peppers, zuccini and squash in August to be used throughout the year. Here is a link to an article that goes in depth about the challenges implementing this.http://www.ediblecommunities.com/louisv ... h-line.htm

We also work with several Student Nutrtional Advisory Councils(SNAC) when we are testing recipes and products; so we get the students feedback on whether they like a menu item before we put it into production or we listen to their suggestions and re-work the recipes. This year we also have begun a very successful Breakfast in the Classroom program in several elementary schools that will be expanded next school year.

Just like it was for me when I was working in restaurants, it is impossible to please everyone all the time, but rest assured that at JCPS Nutrition Services, we are doing the best we can to provide a nutritious, wholesome meal to your children with the resources that we have available to us.
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Steve Shade » Sun May 05, 2013 1:12 am

Dan

Thanks for taking the time to explain some of the problems of the school lunch programs. It is a daunting task to turn out the necessary food for the children, many of whom are picky eaters. It does no good to provide nutritious meals if the kids will not eat them. I am sure it is hard to balance food that will be eaten with the limited resources available. That is especially true where McDonalds is the holy grail for many of the children.
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Gary Z » Sun May 05, 2013 8:52 am

Did anyone else watch Jaime Oliver's Food Revolution? Say what you want about it but it shed light on a lot of the problems with the way school lunch programs are conceptualized, administrated and executed.

ETA: The first season. West Virginia. I know it's sensationalized but when Dan talks about the cost allocation per child it seems less so.
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Nimbus Couzin » Sun May 05, 2013 12:46 pm

Mark R. wrote:While I'm certainly glad to see that the school is giving the children better food. I'm very disturbed by the fact that it's Vegan! Vegan should be a choice, not the only option. The percentage of the population that eat this type of diet is quite small in relation to the entire population and mandating it for everyone is not a good thing to be doing IMHO. Especially for growing children, I still have some health concerns with this type of diet.


What disturbs you about vegan eating? I suggest you do some research. The only missing vitamin is B12, and that can be easily obtained either through supplements, or naturally through things like seaweed or fermented products(miso, tempeh), or nutritional yeast.

Vegan diets are much healthier, and will likely lead to longer lives. As anecdotal evidence, my 4 year old (turns 5 in two weeks) has been 97th percentile in height and weight since birth, eating almost exclusively a vegan diet. He excels in sports and in school. (he's the kid who hits the ball the furthest in T-ball, and the kid who gets all the goals for his soccer team). So much for that disturbing vegan diet theory. (but I've done the research, and almost all real studies say it is healthier than animal based diets or any others I've found).
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Re: Dark Ages of school food

by Nimbus Couzin » Sun May 05, 2013 12:51 pm

Dan,
Thank you for your thougthful and informative reply. I'm going to take you up on your offer to go on a tour of the JCPS Nutrition Service Center. Myself, and another fellow educator, would like to learn more. I'll send you a PM....

Thanks again!

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