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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Ed Vermillion » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:19 pm

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Ed Vermillion wrote:Wow....... I just read this whole thread to my 14 y/o son. He looked at me and said "Is that adult drama?" :lol: Insightful lad.


Ed,

It's called "dessert drama"....

BTW, what say we we meet up at HIC & PK in St. Matts some afternoon this week and have us a big ol' piece of pie and a cup of coffee ? Wed or Thu work for ya ? Anyone else care to join us ?


Let's say we up the ante my brother. I'll make 2 apple caramel pies and meet you and whomever is free this Friday at Clifton Park, 133 Charlton Street. Bring your dessert and some java and lets party. Offline anyone?
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Matthew D » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:22 pm

Steve H wrote:Let's not commit an injustice the other way.

It's likely that all can be explained by an overly enthusiastic mascot.



Your response is WAY too reasonable for LHB. Obviously, one of these establishments has[ to be in the wrong. Which side you chosing, man?
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Steve P » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:24 am

Ed Vermillion wrote:Let's say we up the ante my brother. I'll make 2 apple caramel pies and meet you and whomever is free this Friday at Clifton Park, 133 Charlton Street. Bring your dessert and some java and lets party. Offline anyone?


:cry: ...No can do. 'Nuther road trip this weekend...Lindsay Buckingham show in Clev-burg. Sounds like a great idea though, mount up the cavalry.
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Steve H » Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:45 am

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Steve H wrote:I can see why Smith would say that Capitalism arises from Natural Law, but I don't see how it follows that Capitalism must lead to assholiness, or at least more so than any other economic system.

Well, teleological ethics doesn't necessarily map to assholiness. I'd call it value-neutral. The idea actually came to mind in response to your post because of a weird koinkydink - within the hour I had typed the following on a theology midterm:

* Teleological ethics directs its primary attention to the goals (“goods”) that we seek in life, simplifying morality by identifying a simple, clearly stated goal in place of the complexities of law and rigidities of morality that had grown up during previous centuries. Adam Smith, the founder of modern economics, urged the adoption of free markets, believing that the “invisible hand” of the marketplace would guide moral choices because good goals would be most likely to succeed.

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I don't think Smith would describe his theories as teleological, it's more the opposite. I did some googling for 5 minutes before going to bed last night, and I see that there seems to be some historical revisionists trying to pigeonhole him with that. This could say more about our era, than it does about Smith.

I think his conception of Capitalism understood that values came from religion and culture, independent of the market. I will not argue against the notion that many so-called Capitalists of our era have become unmoored from cultural and religious foundations, constraints, and obligations of the past. There are many reasons for this, but I don't think market economics is to blame.

It's the rent-seeking and the massive growth of government more than anything, IMO. It pushes out community involvement, it pushes out civic involvement, it pushes out private charities, etc. The list is endless.

How about this canary in a coal mine: When Catholics are forced to give up their adoption efforts and considering closing their hospitals due to government interference, something is wrong.
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Ed Vermillion » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:33 am

Pardon the thread train wreck, but.......

Steve H writes:
"How about this canary in a coal mine".......... Now I'm intrigued.

Which Catholic hospitals have closed, or are considering closing due to "government intereference". Is the presumption that government is persecuting catholic hospitals? In what way? Or is it government (ostensibly still "We the People") intervening in cases where healthcare shouldn't be based on selective moral doctrine instead of medical science?
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Steve H » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:37 am

Ed Vermillion wrote:Pardon the thread train wreck, but.......

Steve H writes:
"How about this canary in a coal mine".......... Now I'm intrigued.

Which Catholic hospitals have closed, or are considering closing due to "government intereference". Is the presumption that government is persecuting catholic hospitals? In what way? Or is it government (ostensibly still "We the People") intervening in cases where healthcare shouldn't be based on selective moral doctrine instead of medical science?

Catholic Hospital Closing
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Bill P » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:42 am

This really about the ice cream anymore, is it? :lol:
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Ed Vermillion » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:51 am

Steve H wrote:
Ed Vermillion wrote:Pardon the thread train wreck, but.......

Steve H writes:
"How about this canary in a coal mine".......... Now I'm intrigued.

Which Catholic hospitals have closed, or are considering closing due to "government intereference". Is the presumption that government is persecuting catholic hospitals? In what way? Or is it government (ostensibly still "We the People") intervening in cases where healthcare shouldn't be based on selective moral doctrine instead of medical science?

Catholic Hospital Closing


OK.....load off my mind. Voluntarily closing for moral reasons is A-OK. Pesky thing that choice issue.
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Steve H » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:53 am

Ed Vermillion wrote:
Steve H wrote:
Ed Vermillion wrote:OK.....load off my mind. Voluntarily closing for moral reasons is A-OK. Pesky thing that choice issue.

You have an interesting perspective of cause and effect.
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by RonnieD » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:56 am

Comfy Cow has a mascot?
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Steve H » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:06 pm

RonnieD wrote:Comfy Cow has a mascot?


Apparently.
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Mark R. » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:28 pm

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RonnieD wrote:Comfy Cow has a mascot?


Apparently.

They probably get the Chick-Fil-A cow to work for them in its spare time!
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Steve H » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:32 pm

Mark R. wrote:
Steve H wrote:
RonnieD wrote:Comfy Cow has a mascot?


Apparently.

They probably get the Chick-Fil-A cow to work for them in its spare time!


I know Chick. Comfy is her cousin.
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Re: Comfy Cow opening in Clifton today

by Mark Head » Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:33 pm

I have to say that a mascot reduces the cool factor by 10 - but the ice cream still kicks ass.
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