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A thread within a thread within a thread.

by Gary Z » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:52 am

Back in the days of dial-up I used to be a Guide for AOL. For anyone unfamiliar with that term, I was a volunteer who patrolled chat rooms and made sure no one was being disruptive or offensive to the people in the group. I'm talking about people who used profanity, bullied others, made gay or racial slurs, hit on kids, or were just a general nuisance.

These people were called snerts. Today they are called trolls.

When chat rooms died, message boards and social media took over. Yet the same behavior exists in both formats. Usually it happens because the anonymity of the internet allows people to say what they really want to say without fear of repercussions in their real life.

So what happens when people have to use their own names to join the group? Will they edit themselves or still say what they want? Welcome to Louisvillehotbytes.



I will admit that I troll message boards. Yes, even after working to stop such nonsense... I love to do it. I trolled Sean Hannity's message boards so hard during the last two elections that I had to use 4 different friends' computers just to create fake accounts because they kept banning me from their site.

Anyway... if there's one thing I've learned through all this is that you don't feed the troll. The opinions that seem the most outrageous are meant to be so. They are just trying to provoke a response. The more attention given to them just creates the shit storm they want. Paying them no attention gives them no reason to continue. It should be common sense.

That being said... the real names thing has created a different problem. The trolls will still out themselves but those with differing opinions are afraid to voice theirs. I'm sure there are 100 people on here who love Stoney River but are afraid to comment on the current thread bashing them. Having a contradictory opinion on this board can be brutal. Sometimes it's deserved but rarely is it civil.
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Re: A thread within a thread within a thread.

by Robin Garr » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:15 am

Gary Z wrote:Having a contradictory opinion on this board can be brutal. Sometimes it's deserved but rarely is it civil.

Rarely? I wonder if we could put a number on that.

Civil behavior is our goal here, Gary. Sometimes we slip. We're all human. But we try, and the real-names requirement is a part of that. It takes a special kind of troll to do his work with a name tag on - yet some people are quite capable of that.

Still, speaking as one who was a sysop on CompuServe in 1985, years before there was even an AOL, I've pretty much seen it all. I do my best to host a civil forum, but also try to stop short of being a nanny or a bully of a moderator. It's not an easy tightrope walk.

And all that said, I'm extremely disappointed if anyone is afraid to post. We haven't beheaded anybody yet.
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Re: A thread within a thread within a thread.

by David Clancy » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:45 am

Robin Garr wrote:
Gary Z wrote:Having a contradictory opinion on this board can be brutal. Sometimes it's deserved but rarely is it civil.

Rarely? I wonder if we could put a number on that.

Civil behavior is our goal here, Gary. Sometimes we slip. We're all human. But we try, and the real-names requirement is a part of that. It takes a special kind of troll to do his work with a name tag on - yet some people are quite capable of that.

Still, speaking as one who was a sysop on CompuServe in 1985, years before there was even an AOL, I've pretty much seen it all. I do my best to host a civil forum, but also try to stop short of being a nanny or a bully of a moderator. It's not an easy tightrope walk.

And all that said, I'm extremely disappointed if anyone is afraid to post. We haven't beheaded anybody yet.
Well, to be fair, Robert Z did get sent to the tower, but that's different.
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Re: A thread within a thread within a thread.

by Robin Garr » Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:37 am

David Clancy wrote: Robert Z did get sent to the tower, but that's different.

Exiled, not beheaded. 8)
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Re: A thread within a thread within a thread.

by Steve Shade » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:55 pm

Robin Garr wrote:
David Clancy wrote: Robert Z did get sent to the tower, but that's different.

Exiled, not beheaded. 8)


Sure could use a well done steak with some pear brandy. 8) 8)
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Re: A thread within a thread within a thread.

by Jackie R. » Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:15 pm

To be fair and balanced...

There have been a lot of posts uprising against the angst that members share openly - especially on some of the various topics in the past week or so. It's a given right to bitch about people bitching. I won't pick it all apart, but I will say that I read this rag daily, as do many. I know that the contentious threads get the most response and footprints here. Robin, can you offer some numbers, here? Do you track this kind of data? I perceive it, but I'd looove to see some numbers.

I've done some name-calling in the past week and I felt disgusted with myself about it. Because my name is on here and some HB members and lurkers know me. Someone that I don't know (but a person that I feel like I'm likely to meet some day) called "us" name-callers out as a whole, and for good reason. I walked away with remorse for what I'd posted because I was guilty of being derogatory. BUT, I also posted my comments in a thread not likely read by the passers-by because it was so heady, so I felt a little protected by the veracity and volume of posting. It felt GREAT to finally have the pulpit to corner a person that has shamed logic and dignity under the protection of no threat to his livelihood. I felt this man had been a menace for years.

This does not explain my friend Steve's aggressive behavior toward Matt Davis (et al), but I know that Steve means no harm. I dunno - I love the guy, but I don't stand with him on that argument and I hope they can find something they like about one another because Matt Davis seems like an awesome guy.

To summarize: this site is more interesting when the posters have freedom to show their asses, as long as they are accounted for. I'm grateful for Hotbytes, so thank you again, Food Dad.

Signed, Jackie Rozier
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Re: A thread within a thread within a thread.

by Robin Garr » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:22 am

Jackie R. wrote:To summarize: this site is more interesting when the posters have freedom to show their asses, as long as they are accounted for. I'm grateful for Hotbytes, so thank you again, Food Dad.

Signed, Jackie Rozier

You are the best, Food Kid! :lol:

Seriously, Jackie, the numbers are pretty much transparent and can be gleaned from the number of reads on the main forum page. If you want to PM or Email me I'll try to answer your questions, but as much as I like to be "transparent" I don't particularly want to put some proprietary stuff out in public.

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