Roger Baylor/ABusch

Kinda' makes me wonder if there are going to be Roger Baylor masks available during Halloween reading this thread ?

Sorry, gotta know if you will give it up ?..... Steve H. what is your profession ?... do not care to know where you work, just curious on your bottom line.....

[Robin Garr]

Kinda' makes me wonder if there are going to be Roger Baylor masks available during Halloween reading this thread ?

Better than Guy Fawkes and twice as local!

Kinda' makes me wonder if there are going to be Roger Baylor masks available during Halloween reading this thread ?

Better than Guy Fawkes and twice as local!

No denying funny.

Sorry, gotta know if you will give it up ?..... Steve H.

Alan, I have been asking myself this very question. I wonder if Roger has similar thoughts?

It's hard to push my buttons, obviously I have some. Roger has apparently found two of them.

1. Telling folks with whom he is unacquainted that they really shouldn't like what they like, and if they continue to like it in spite of Roger's disapproval, well, it's only because they have been brainwashed by Anheuser-Busch. Why should I try and talk such friends into trying Roger's beers when he holds them in such disdain? Seriously, why would I do it?

2. The thoughtless disrespect and ill will that many leftist/liberal folks have for anyone that doesn't agree with them. I used to be steeped in that, and since I've been politically adrift, I notice this a lot. It's like an ex-smoker having less tolerance for tobacco smoke than someone who has never smoked. I'll cop to this. I might well be overly sensitive.

But, Republicans, Conservatives, Tea Partiers, and certain Christians, get trashed on this board all the time, and by otherwise thoughtful people. I never noticed this when I was in the cocoon; now with one foot out, it is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

So, in comes Roger with his advertisement. Obviously he is proud of it. He figured his fellow travelers here would chuckle knowingly. Maybe he could bait some more Republicans to take his little Rorschach Test so they could all make fun of them? He takes the disrespect and ill will to a whole new level, because it is intentional. Dude knows EXACTLY what he was doing.

I am not obsessed with making Roger see the light. What are the odds of that happening anyway? But I don't mind shinning the light on pettiness when I see it. And near as I can tell, I am not monopolizing this conversation, it's generally confined to this one thread, and everyone is getting their say. Plus Roger has already warned us that he is working on his next self referential dissertation as we speak. I don't know about you, but I've got my popcorn ready!

what is your profession ?... do not care to know where you work, just curious on your bottom line.....

I am a trained electrical engineer with my career having evolved to more embedded software development over the years. Embedded means it's the code inside of things, like appliances, furnaces, satellite TV boxes, etc.

So, yeah all the usual stereotypes apply. So, be gentle.

Steve,

If you changed # 2 to the following - "The thoughtless disrespect and ill will that people have for anyone that doesn't agree with them" - then I'm with you.

Given the values and investments of those persons who participate on this forum, I'm sure it's easy to fill like a lone voice in the wilderness. Group think and majority bias are powerful things.

I'm posting less these days because I grew tired of the political nonsense. Actually, I grew tired of my inability to stay out of the political nonsense. You must have more dedication than I do. For return on investment, it's just not worth it to me. I'd rather just talk about bacon. Mmm, bacon.

Oh no! Don't bring up pork!

But seriously, those damn arugula eating, latte sipping liberals are always being so disrespectful to the dignified and gracious right.

Here is Hannity making fun of newly elected Obama ordering exotic Dijon mustard:

http://vodpod.com/watch/1596762-obama-orders-spicy-mustard

As a tofu and sushi eating liberal (Google it), thanks for pointing out the unique ill-will of the left. I'll work on it.

Steve,
If you changed # 2 to the following - "The thoughtless disrespect and ill will that people have for anyone that doesn't agree with them" - then I'm with you.

Matthew, you are a good guy. We are not in the same place politically, but I have never noticed you thoughtlessly assuming the motivations of others. For me, politics has been a journey and not a destination. I struggle to understand folks, not just in my terms, but in how they understand themselves. I believe you try to do the same . Maybe we'll end up in the same place? Who knows?

I agree about #2. It should be changed just as you say.

Given the values and investments of those persons who participate on this forum, I'm sure it's easy to fill like a lone voice in the wilderness. Group think and majority bias are powerful things.

I don't mind being the lone wolf. Most folks want to be fair, or at least seen to be fair. Still, it amazes me the unexamined opinions folks carry around. I guess that's the definition of group think.

I'm posting less these days because I grew tired of the political nonsense. Actually, I grew tired of my inability to stay out of the political nonsense. You must have more dedication than I do. For return on investment, it's just not worth it to me. I'd rather just talk about bacon. Mmm, bacon.

I understand. We all have lives, and work that must be done. When I do engage, I do strive to raise the level above nonsense though. Hopefully I succeed sometimes.

Please don't be shy, especially if you have something to say on a topic that is not political. I mean this as don't let the political crap keep you from talking about bacon.

I really can't articulate my motivation. I wouldn't call it dedication. I am not a crusader. But sometimes, I do find energy in the dialog. But, I don't mind giving folks the last word, if I get the feeling that my point has been sufficiently made and understood. It's not really about winning either. I'll just leave it to the reader to decide for himself.

This thread could still go a couple different ways.. I still don't get the feeling that Roger has engaged my main point, even though he keeps coming back for more. Even at the threat of telegraphing my next move, I'll probably let it rest after his next reply, if he still seems not to get what I'm saying.

Oh no! Don't bring up pork!

But seriously, those damn arugula eating, latte sipping liberals are always being so disrespectful to the dignified and gracious right.

Here is Hannity making fun of newly elected Obama ordering exotic Dijon mustard:

http://vodpod.com/watch/1596762-obama-orders-spicy-mustard

As a tofu and sushi eating liberal (Google it), thanks for pointing out the unique ill-will of the left. I'll work on it.

Uh, did you see me defending Hannity?

Just so you know, I never (hardly ever?) start political discussions here. I just respond to others. Nor do I take disagreements here to other web sites. It keeps it all in the family, so to speak.

And, if Robin were to say that this is a food Web Site for left/liberals folks only, I would reluctantly pack up my bags and go. I do try to follow the rules.

Oh no! Don't bring up pork!

But seriously, those damn arugula eating, latte sipping liberals are always being so disrespectful to the dignified and gracious right.

Here is Hannity making fun of newly elected Obama ordering exotic Dijon mustard:

http://vodpod.com/watch/1596762-obama-orders-spicy-mustard

As a tofu and sushi eating liberal (Google it), thanks for pointing out the unique ill-will of the left. I'll work on it.

This could be fun, let's go down your list now...

Arugula. I like it.
Lattes. It's a waste of good coffee.
Dijon. I like it.
Sushi I like it.
Tofu. I like it.
Bacon. I like it. (had to throw in bacon)

So, based on your taxonomy, Am I a Republican? A Democrat? Or what?

BTW, I think food stamps should allow the purchase of all the above, AND Taco Bell.

What do you think I am now?

'Tis funny, isn't it? Whether anyone agrees with them or not, both Walker and Daniels are well known for rhetorically bashing political opponents, questioning their integrity, and bullying people. Likewise, AB is just as infamous for their strong-arm tactics in keeping the playing field as unlevel as they can muster. A local, independent returns fire, though, and it's a problem with liberals.

Roger has for years promoted other craft breweries as well as his own. The beer program at the Grant Line location highlights breweries from all over Indiana that could easily be viewed as competition. The same attitude is evident at Bank Street, where a sign near the door suggests that patrons try all the other downtown New Albany eateries and provides a map to help get to them.

AB, on the other hand, uses its much more expansive resources to keep people from having access to competitors and/or to fool them into thinking their drinking craft beer when they're not. According to their own strategies, AB's continued financial success has more to do with monopolization than it does with competing directly on quality.

One may recoil from or thoroughly enjoy the rhetoric from either side, but it's easy enough to see who believes in a free market based on informed choices in actual practice.

One wonders if you have read the whole thread to this point Jeff.

'Tis funny, isn't it? Whether anyone agrees with them or not, both Walker and Daniels are well known for rhetorically bashing political opponents, questioning their integrity, and bullying people.

Yeah, Democratic politicians never do that.

Likewise, AB is just as infamous for their strong-arm tactics in keeping the playing field as unlevel as they can muster. A local, independent returns fire, though, and it's a problem with liberals.

Show me where I defended AB's business practices. I say fire at will, as far as AB is concerned.

If you had bothered to read what I have written, then you would know that my issue with Roger is not his war on AB. It has more to do with his war on AB customers, implying conservatives are fascists, and making fun of conservatives when they notice he just called them fascists.

Roger has for years promoted other craft breweries as well as his own. The beer program at the Grant Line location highlights breweries from all over Indiana that could easily be viewed as competition. The same attitude is evident at Bank Street, where a sign near the door suggests that patrons try all the other downtown New Albany eateries and provides a map to help get to them.

Yeah. He's a stand up guy. It's strange that it never shows up in his writings.

AB, on the other hand, uses its much more expansive resources to keep people from having access to competitors and/or to fool them into thinking their drinking craft beer when they're not. According to their own strategies, AB's continued financial success has more to do with monopolization than it does with competing directly on quality.

No argument from me. I can't remember the last time I bought an AB product. Sic 'em!

One may recoil from or thoroughly enjoy the rhetoric from either side, but it's easy enough to see who believes in a free market based on informed choices in actual practice.

Is this another trick to get me to defend AB? Not falling for it.

[Robin Garr]

And, if Robin were to say that this is a food Web Site for left/liberals folks only, I would reluctantly pack up my bags and go. I do try to follow the rules.

It's not. Nor will it be. It's a big tent, a broad highway, a Via Media way, where we're allowed to have different opinions and express them robustly, but at the end of the day we all sit down at the same big dinner table together.

This reminds me of something else I do, but I can't quite put my finger on it ...

And, if Robin were to say that this is a food Web Site for left/liberals folks only, I would reluctantly pack up my bags and go. I do try to follow the rules.

It's not. Nor will it be. It's a big tent, a broad highway, a Via Media way, where we're allowed to have different opinions and express them robustly, but at the end of the day we all sit down at the same big dinner table together.

This reminds me of something else I do, but I can't quite put my finger on it ...

Thanks Robin. I am trying to behave. It is hard sometimes.

Your Via Media reference made me think of Walter Russel Mead. He's a Liberal in the original sense, which I guess means he's sorta conservative, but I don't think he would ever fess up to it. He is well worth adding to your reading list if you haven't already.

Roger Baylor drank the water of life and became the Kwisatz Haderach, even his name strikes fear in the heart...

Roger Baylor drank the water of life and became the Kwisatz Haderach, even his name strikes fear in the heart...

The haughty do but build castle walls behind which they try to hide their doubts and fears.
-Bene Gesserit Axiom

Speak the truth. That is always much easier, and is often the most powerful argument.
-Bene Gesserit Axiom