Help West Sixth Brewing against lawsuit

But, I suppose it's easy to rationalize away their use of the "big lie" because { Craft + Local = Unabridged right to be unethical } on this forum.

That’s just a bald-faced, superficial, whopping, defamatory, gullible, untruthful, douchebag, bullshitting and duplicitous lie.

Dan, your superiority is breath taking. Yet I will wait and see how this all comes out before I congratulate you for being right. Somehow, I think it is more important to you to be right than to be on the right side though. I doubt that's a distinction you understand.

Just because you have accused someone of something doesn't mean they are guilty. I didn't even bother to reply to your smoking gun offering as it provided no more proof about West Sixth's guilt than anything else you've said.

I assure you that my feelings on this issue are my own. I'm no more swayed by your conclusions based on speculation than I will be if West Sixth capitulates or looses the suit. As this all started based on what I feel is a false premise (consumers are confused by similarities in the two logos), I place most of the blame on Magic Hat. As gobsmacked as you must be by that, I'll do you one better.

I no longer muster up any self-righteous indignation at the thought of UNLV, Kentucky, or Indiana when it comes to cheating. These issues are too complemented to be boiled down to a simple right or wrong. Except for those with simple minds who don't have the ability to comprehend them any other way.

So congratulate yourself now and bask in your self-adulation. This game has not concluded. I'm sure if it doesn't play out the way you "KNOW" it will, it will be because someone cheated and you won't understand why no one else can see that! Cheers Dan

Also, I think it's silly to suggest anyone is being courageous when they ban or boycott Magic Hat. At this point that's what the entire herd is doing so there's nothing particularly brave about running with the other lemmings.

I had to go back and read this little nugget again. If you don't understand why what Todd Antz and Mellow Mushroom have done by taking a public stand on this is courageous, then you don't understand much IMO. I know of almost no business's who have acted with their conscious. If more in the area find the character to do so, they will earn my respect and patronage.

The safe thing here is to do nothing and risk nothing.

[Robin Garr]

That’s just a bald-faced, superficial, whopping, defamatory, gullible, untruthful, douchebag, bullshitting and duplicitous lie.

Thesaurus.com?

That’s just a bald-faced, superficial, whopping, defamatory, gullible, untruthful, douchebag, bullshitting and duplicitous lie.

Thesaurus.com?

Nope. All of them pulled directly from Dan's previous comments expressing moral outrage at ill-defined "lies."

Thanks for asking. I was hoping someone would.

I don't know where he's coming up with these "bald-faced lies" but he's got a hard-on for this issue for sure. He's spouted the same stuff with the same vitriol over on fark.com about this.

[Robin Garr]

I don't know where he's coming up with these "bald-faced lies" but he's got a hard-on for this issue for sure. He's spouted the same stuff with the same vitriol over on fark.com about this.

Interesting. I always kind of figured that Dan's quirky persona had something to do with the mixed emotions of the voluntary expatriate who can't quite leave his old home town behind so consoles himself with thoughts about how awful the old place was.

Gentlemen, gentlemen. This is not about superiority. I have strong opinions on the issue (just as some of you do) and I enunciate them, generally speaking, with underlying logic. I've thrown out my reasoning for why I think these fellows have told lies to the public and so far I'm not seeing anything here in the way of a reasoned rebuttal. If you take a snoop over on West Sixth's own webpage you will see a number of people taking them to task for the very same reasons. "We would have supported you but why did you feel the need to lie?" I'm sure as heck not the only one to see it this way.....maybe just the only one on LHB. Likewise the West Sixth owner got hooted off Reddit by people asking the same questions (and not getting answers). So by all means if anyone wants to take a stab at a reasoned rebuttal (instead of taking stabs at me).... well then step right up to the plate. Please show your math

Interesting. I always kind of figured that Dan's quirky persona had something to do with the mixed emotions of the voluntary expatriate who can't quite leave his old home town behind so consoles himself with thoughts about how awful the old place was.

If you want to point out anywhere that I've badmouthed Louisville or Kentuckiana then feel free to point it out. Personally I think it's a GREAT place which is why I'm here. I'm not a "voluntary" ex-pat, BTW. I'm stuck here in a country I don't like that much because my kids are still young and being a part of their childhood is more important than living where I personally want to live. If you had the slightest inkling of what it's like to be stuck 4000 miles from home you'd probably re-think that cheap-shot.

[Robin Garr]

If you want to point out anywhere that I've badmouthed Louisville or Kentuckiana then feel free to point it out. Personally I think it's a GREAT place which is why I'm here. I'm not a "voluntary" ex-pat, BTW. I'm stuck here in a country I don't like that much because my kids are still young and being a part of their childhood is more important than living where I personally want to live. If you had the slightest inkling of what it's like to be stuck 4000 miles from home you'd probably re-think that cheap-shot.

Okay, fair enough, Dan. You do often present with a critical persona, so I indulged in armchair psychology. I'm not very good at that. No harm meant, though, just snark. My apologies.

If you had the slightest inkling of what it's like to be stuck 4000 miles from home you'd probably re-think that cheap-shot.

My highest usage of the HotBytes forums was during the 3 year period when I was commuting weekly to work in Indy. So I, for one, understand exactly.

Unfortunately, this led me to discover I was born and raised on the wrong side of I-264 AND I-65. Who knew I started life with two strikes already?

You do often present with a critical persona

You should hear me talk about the state of German food.

If you want to point out anywhere that I've badmouthed Louisville or Kentuckiana then feel free to point it out.

Actually Dan, you whinge incessantly about the Summer humidity. And you just couldn't let it go about the bridge needing painting. And let's not forget your moaning about country lolly-gaggers driving 50 in the left lane. And seriously Dan, you won't say it publicly but you rail to your friends about those annoying hipsters all the time.

Gentlemen, gentlemen. This is not about superiority. I have strong opinions on the issue (just as some of you do) and I enunciate them, generally speaking, with underlying logic. I've thrown out my reasoning for why I think these fellows have told lies to the public and so far I'm not seeing anything here in the way of a reasoned rebuttal. If you take a snoop over on West Sixth's own webpage you will see a number of people taking them to task for the very same reasons. "We would have supported you but why did you feel the need to lie?" I'm sure as heck not the only one to see it this way.....maybe just the only one on LHB. Likewise the West Sixth owner got hooted off Reddit by people asking the same questions (and not getting answers). So by all means if anyone wants to take a stab at a reasoned rebuttal (instead of taking stabs at me).... well then step right up to the plate. Please show your math

Dan, your insistence that you can see through to the "truth" of this issue based only on the information available seems unlikely to the point of ridiculous to me. However, I don't know that you are wrong and I have no problem with you expressing your opinion about what you think.

I do have a problem with you insisting that the rest of us are superficial and little more than lemmings for not agreeing with you.

If you can divine the truth of this issue with certainty based solely on what is written then you must be a superior being. But then as you've also asserted to being subject to confusion by the similarities in the two logos that are the basis for this whole argument... that seems unlikely.

If you want to point out anywhere that I've badmouthed Louisville or Kentuckiana then feel free to point it out.

Actually Dan, you whinge incessantly about the Summer humidity. And you just couldn't let it go about the bridge needing painting. And let's not forget your moaning about country lolly-gaggers driving 50 in the left lane. And seriously Dan, you won't say it publicly but you rail to your friends about those annoying hipsters all the time.

Bravo, I nearly called you barely self-aware! On a side note, my son and daughter-in-law love Germany so much they've extended their tour for four more years. We're coming over to spend Christmas with them this year. Cheers Dan!

Dan, your insistence that you can see through to the "truth" of this issue based only on the information available seems unlikely to the point of ridiculous to me.

I don't claim to know everything. But one thing I am 100% sure of is that West Sixth simply told an egregious (adding a new word for Roger's list) lie from the get-go. They said they were being sued and the counterparty would not talk to them. Barely half an hour after I first got spammed with their petition requests, that other counterparty posted the correspondence on the net proving that this was a 100% falsehood. Now I may use a bunch of colorful language (bald-faced, whopper, etc), but I fail to see how that alters what should be obvious to everyone. They told a 100% lie to everyone they were badgering for help. Most of everything else is semi-informed conjecture on my part but that one very salient point remains. They told a big lie.

If you can show how this wasn't a lie, have at it.