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Re: Velocity on BJ's, snobs and skeptics: Very corporate (duh).

by Roger A. Baylor » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:06 am

Ron Johnson wrote:When I have the misfortune of coming across Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or their types, it is not long before I hear terms like "elitist" used to describe people who earned graduate degrees. Then it reminds me of how many times (more than one hundred, easily) I have been called "elitist" by members of this forum because I prefer to spend my money in locally owned establishments rather than large corporate chains. Does that make me an elitist? Is Roger Baylor a beer "snob"? I don't think so, and I understand why the use of the term evoked his reaction to the review.


As a one-time teacher, I can say with relief that reading comprehension is always welcomed. Barring either Josh or Lisa addressing the point explicated by Ron, I believe the final word has been posted by Mr. Johnson.

Thanks for that.
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Re: Velocity on BJ's, snobs and skeptics: Very corporate (duh).

by Shawn Vest » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:02 pm

i'm going with Ron and Roger on this one

the Writer of this review clearly sought to be an antagonist by his choice of language

why not a simple review of a chain store without insulting the "snobs"

unnecessary use of words that could have been used to provide a more glowing review of BJs

regardless of the selection of beers offered at BJs, the profit made on those beers does not end up in Louisville

a good selection of beers is very easy to achieve, knowledge of those beers, on the other hand???????
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Re: Velocity on BJ's, snobs and skeptics: Very corporate (duh).

by Dave L » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:59 pm

I think it's worth it to point out that Louisville, from a beer perspective, has a history that a twenty-something from somewhere else may not know about. Personally, I'm not yet 40 and I can recall the openings of all the brew-pubs, (modern) breweries, and we-don't-serve-lite-beer bars. Louisville did not have the choices in the 80's as we enjoy now. I can only imagine what it was like trying to get decent beer in the 70's!

In the 90's brew-pubs were the fastest growing segment of the restaurant industry, and we luckily had a few. Those of us who liked good beer supported them, along with retailers who carried good beer, and of course we brewed our own. The C-J supported that movement with articles and reviews. Our beers got better, our breweries won awards, and eventually outside-of-Louisville acclaim.

The people who supported this movement were often military types who had been stationed in Germany and discovered what beer can be, or simply transplants who lived on one of the coasts, where the 'beer revolution' came sooner. Or, in my case, I read an article in a magazine about homebrewing, likely written by a twenty-something, and found the way. Collectively we strayed away from beers like Budweiser and it's ilk and sought beer with flavor, the flavor of malt and hops. What we enjoy now is not a fad, not cyclical like fashion or music, but an absolute interest in good beer. Similar absolutes exist in our appreciation of good cheese, wine, and bread. We enjoy these foodstuffs as they were made for a long time in places like Europe, and here in the United States, by Artisans dedicated to a craft. It was a long time coming for these foodstuffs in Louisville and that is why we are a little 'obsessed' about it. We have never been, nor will ever be, snobs.
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Re: Velocity on BJ's, snobs and skeptics: Very corporate (duh).

by Shawn Vest » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:57 pm

salud
to the beer and bourbon tradition of Louisville and Louisvillians (those from the sunny side as well)
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Re: Velocity on BJ's, snobs and skeptics: Very corporate (duh).

by Todd Antz » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:51 pm

So, while out shopping this weekend at Oxmoor, I managed to drag my wife into BJ's under the guise of paying for it as business research (my accountant hopefully does not read this forum). The food was decent, the beers were average at best. Decent atmosphere, very little knowledge about their products from the waitstaff, which is expected this new into the venture. I'll give it 2 stars out of 4. I won't drive over there specifically for it, but if I'm in that mall, I would consider driving around the back side to go there again.

I still like being thought of as an elitist... glad to know that master's degree is worth something now.
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Re: Velocity on BJ's, snobs and skeptics: Very corporate (duh).

by MikeG » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:22 pm

To quote NOFX:

Indiscriminate, I'd rather be elite.
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Re: Velocity on BJ's, snobs and skeptics: Very corporate (duh).

by Ethan Ray » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:16 am

MikeG wrote:To quote NOFX:

Indiscriminate, I'd rather be elite.


i think the next line...

"I'll choose my own sh*t scene"

adds to the elitist argument as well. :wink:

(it's been a long time since i've listened to that record, but i think i could still recite the lyrics -word for word- to this day.)
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Slightly off topic

by Hank Sutton » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:45 am

Stats Sports Bar in Atlanta features beer taps on some individual tables

http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/03 ... 2278.shtml

http://www.concentricsrestaurants.com/
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Re: Velocity on BJ's, snobs and skeptics: Very corporate (duh).

by MikeG » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:47 am

Ethan Ray wrote:
MikeG wrote:To quote NOFX:

Indiscriminate, I'd rather be elite.


i think the next line...

"I'll choose my own sh*t scene"

adds to the elitist argument as well. :wink:

(it's been a long time since i've listened to that record, but i think i could still recite the lyrics -word for word- to this day.)



It's on my iPod, i was bummed they didnt play it at the show a couple of weeks back.
I am the original Mike G, never mind the impostor.

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