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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by JustinHammond » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:34 am

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JustinHammond wrote:I'm really curious what my BAC is after 2 Hoptimus; I bet I'm pushing the limit, but I drive home.


Well it depends on a whole host of factors - as we all know - but given the right time frame of consumption, I'd have to think you would be pushing the limit.

The simple solution: a responsible offering of "session" beers. Is that too much to ask?


Yeap, these are the people who are likely getting busted. "I just had 3 or 4 beers, I can't be drunk." In reality, even with swill, 3 - 4 beers in a hour or so and your going to jail.
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by John Hagan » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:34 am

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If you classify alcoholism as a disability (which it is), how do you create stronger and stronger laws to punish those who are incapable of overcoming said disability? You might as well slap an epileptic in the middle of a seizure and tell them to "stop doing that".


Drunk driving and alcoholism don't always go hand in hand. Everyone I know that has a DUI is far from an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a choice, people with a true disability (epilepsy) do not.


As I understand it alcoholism is considered to be a disease as opposed to a disability. A better comparison would be to liken it to diabetes. In alcoholics there is a physical change in the brain structure as well profound chemical differences compared to someone not afflicted.. I do not believe alcoholics have a choice when it comes to having this disease. They can live productive lives that do not include drinking,they have that choice, but they will always have the disease known as alcoholism.
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by Steve A » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:38 am

Robin Garr wrote:But none of this has to do with whether mass roadblocks are an appropiriate way to address the problem. My guess, if all the cops standing around that roadblock had been out patrolling, they probably would have rounded up MORE drunks.

Quoted for truth.

Sobriety roadblocks puts me in the mind of the security theater we have to put up with whenever we travel by air. Will taking my shoes and belt off insure there won't be a terrorist attack on our soil? No. The same way, will a police roadblock at 11 p.m. on a Friday protect me from an impaired driver at 2 p.m. on a Tuesday? Not bloody likely.

I wish the solution were as easy as putting a breathalyzer interlock on cars, but it isn't so cut-and-dried. Some drunk drivers are habitual alcoholics, and along with possible incarceration they need treatment, and society just might have to suck up and pay for it. Minors drink to be cool, so there needs to be better education about drinking, along with repercussions for both them and their parents if caught driving drunk. The non-minor, non-alcoholic who might up and gets behind the wheel drunk needs responsible saloon-keepers and friends (aka cultural changes) to make sure they aren't over-served.

And that's the tip of the iceberg. Impaired doesn't always mean alcohol, but don't get me started on the idiots who text while driving.

And on preview, what John Hagan said.
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by Michelle R. » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:39 am

I've met plenty of alcoholics who use their "disability" as an excuse. Usually, they admit to having a problem only after getting caught doing something incredibly stupid (such as driving drunk). Sorry, I don't buy it.
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by Kyle L » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:50 am

http://www.answerbag.co.uk/q_view/1966356

Is alcoholism considered a disability?
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by JustinHammond » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:55 am

One cannot collect Social Security benefits based on a drug or alcohol addiction.


There goes my backup plan to winning the lottery.
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by John Hagan » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:58 am

Kyle L wrote:http://www.answerbag.co.uk/q_view/1966356

Is alcoholism considered a disability?


Ill repeat my earlier post


"As I understand it alcoholism is considered to be a disease as opposed to a disability."
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by Matthew D » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:59 am

Michelle R. wrote:I've met plenty of alcoholics who use their "disability" as an excuse. Usually, they admit to having a problem only after getting caught doing something incredibly stupid (such as driving drunk). Sorry, I don't buy it.


Well it would follow that doing something really stupid often causes X problem to hit a person right between the eyes. Finding out that one is not invincible is a tough, but necessary, pill to swallow.

Where did Tiger Woods go right after being caught. Sex therapy. Why did he do that? Maybe for sympathy. Maybe to use it as an excuse. Maybe because he really has a problem. I'd tell you what I think, but there's that old (maybe it's in the Bible) saying about casting the first stone.
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by Kyle L » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:03 am

It's fine you understood alcoholism is considered to be a disease as opposed to a disability. I was simply seeking another source to back up your statement. No worries.
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by Michelle R. » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:11 am

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Michelle R. wrote:I've met plenty of alcoholics who use their "disability" as an excuse. Usually, they admit to having a problem only after getting caught doing something incredibly stupid (such as driving drunk). Sorry, I don't buy it.


Well it would follow that doing something really stupid often causes X problem to hit a person right between the eyes. Finding out that one is not invincible is a tough, but necessary, pill to swallow.

Where did Tiger Woods go right after being caught. Sex therapy. Why did he do that? Maybe for sympathy. Maybe to use it as an excuse. Maybe because he really has a problem. I'd tell you what I think, but there's that old (maybe it's in the Bible) saying about casting the first stone.


Don't get me started on "sex addicts." My best friend is married to one. Every time someone wants to hold him accountable for his actions, he blames it on his "disease." Almost every alcoholic I've ever met is the same.
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by Kyle L » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:21 am

How many have you met?
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by Michelle R. » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:23 am

Quite a few. There are loads in my family.
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by Matthew D » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:27 am

Michelle R. wrote:
Matthew D wrote:
Michelle R. wrote:I've met plenty of alcoholics who use their "disability" as an excuse. Usually, they admit to having a problem only after getting caught doing something incredibly stupid (such as driving drunk). Sorry, I don't buy it.


Well it would follow that doing something really stupid often causes X problem to hit a person right between the eyes. Finding out that one is not invincible is a tough, but necessary, pill to swallow.

Where did Tiger Woods go right after being caught. Sex therapy. Why did he do that? Maybe for sympathy. Maybe to use it as an excuse. Maybe because he really has a problem. I'd tell you what I think, but there's that old (maybe it's in the Bible) saying about casting the first stone.


Don't get me started on "sex addicts." My best friend is married to one. Every time someone wants to hold him accountable for his actions, he blames it on his "disease." Almost every alcoholic I've ever met is the same.


I had to erase the first 20 items I began to type for fear of feeling the wrath of moderator Robin!

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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by Carla G » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:29 pm

Regardless or whether alcoholism is a disease or a disability, a person needs to accept the responsibility for it's care or treatment. And there's plenty of help out there.
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Re: RUMOR - DUI Checkpoint in St. Matts Tonight (07/09)

by John Hagan » Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:13 pm

Carla G wrote:Regardless or whether alcoholism is a disease or a disability, a person needs to accept the responsibility for it's care or treatment. And there's plenty of help out there.


Thats true, there is plenty of help out there, although that completely overlooks the main issue..that an addict does not recognize they have a problem until they hit rock bottom,if even then. While I agree with you that they "should" accept responsibility and seek treatment, its not realistic to expect someone who has no control over their life anymore to do so. Again, Im not arguing what people should do, just trying to inject some reality.
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