Flu Shots - you getting them?

@ David H. - well reasoned, thought out, and (apparently) researched post.

Why, thank you! That's my MO for all important decisions in my life. It's easy to get a lot of information, but it takes some effort to sift through the bad information to get the good. One would hope the general public would trust scientists and doctors for medical advice over celebrities, comedians and talk-show hosts. One would hope...

While I do not get the flu shot for my own personal reasons, your seatbelt analogy is a good one.

Again, that's fine by me, as long as you come to the decision through a rational process. My personal reason for not getting the vaccine for all these years was an extreme needle-phobia. But, as they say, having a kid changes everything. I decided I was going to "suck it up" and get the vaccine. Not for me, but for a little one who is very, very important to me.

This is a very good place to get questions answered: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/10/19/Farrakhan-suspicious-of-H1N1-vaccine/UPI-63931256011008/

here's one person's opinion on why not to get a flu shot. not my sentiment, nevertheless one person's thought on this.

If his position is a rhetorical flourish, then I find it kind of amusing. Any sane person would understand that a conspiracy of that magnitude simply could not be sustained.

If he's serious, though

Either way, it sort of frightening that some people will listen to what he says regarding this subject and take him seriously. Though I would guess this gives most who read his statements (myself included) another reason to get the vaccine.

Just my two cents. Anybody thinking about getting the shots should see this CBS 60minutes show.

http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-US-Intel ... h-from-flu.

The WHO.INT was mentioned by the CDC in some of their reports where they referred to international data. The WHO is currently reporting on the front page of their website that our "flu" outbreak is actually an outbreak of a "flu-like illness." My question is why are they saying it is "flu-like," since we have been told it is, in fact, an influenza, One person has suggested that it is due to the hybrid nature of this particular strain and that the language is a semantic choice reflecting that "...this strain of flu does not appear to be a natural mutation of any virus. Never before, have multiple animal strains been combined with a human strain of flu. Genetic evidence of Swine, Avian and Human influenza type A are all seen in this version of the flu. In this sense, it is (flu like) and not a strain of normal flu variation."

Based on that information, could it be possible that one explanation is they are suggesting it is a human engineered virus and possibly a biological weapon?

Go to www.who.int/

Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 briefing note 13
16 OCTOBER 2009 | GENEVA -- To gather information about the clinical features and management of pandemic influenza, WHO hosted a three-day meeting at the headquarters of the Pan American Health Organization in Washington, DC on 14–16 October. Findings and experiences were presented by around 100 clinicians, scientists, and public health professionals from the Americas, Europe, Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Oceania.

The meeting confirmed that the overwhelming majority of persons worldwide infected with the new H1N1 virus continue to experience uncomplicated influenza-like illness, with full recovery within a week, even without medical treatment.

Also research:

Simple vitamin D cures swine flu.


Sources:
http://www.who.int/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beat…


someone made this suggestion in an answer (it's honestly not mine but I find it makes me say *yikes*"Interesting that the US has a problem with Northern Mexican violence spilling over its borders and all of the sudden a crazy, mutated flu virus attacks Northern Mexico. What a coincidence?"



Input? Anyone???

Now we're on to biological weapons? I'm not a conspiracy theorist and distrust all of them.

As for the 60 minutes piece--everyone--and I mean everyone--thinks the 1976 Swine Flu treatment was a debacle. But it's been over 30 years. They've figured out a lot.

Charles I just have one question for you and with this I finish my post on the subject.

Was Iraq also a conspiracy? We were told that they had weapons of mass destruction right? and truth is that the only weapon of mass destruction that they had is call petrodollars, the only reason why Iraq was invaded was because Saddan started selling his oil in Euros and what will happen to the value of the dollar if every oil producing nation starts doing the same and Europeans and Asian nations don't need dollars any more and dump their dollars in the world market? The consequence of this is that thousands of people have died because of the war including childrens. Is funny how we think that the government can lie about one thing and not about other things. Just my two cents and like I said my last commnet on the subject and back to talk about food.

Fernando,

I didn't say I don't believe any conspiracies, but I distrust conspiracy theories in general. They assume too much control on the part of the conspirators, for one.

In Iraq, the control of oil would be an obvious goal and was carried out by one administration. I can't for the life of me figure out why multiple administrations would carry out the swine flu conspiracy. What would be the gain? It's not targeted at any particular ethnic population. It is more lethal for the young and healthy than the old and infirm. it disrupts everything. What would the conspiracy accomplish?

Charles, what they have done for years make money. Research Gilead Sciences and look who is principal shareholder in this company and what happens to the stock of this company everytime there is a swine flu scare.
There is a book call Grunch of Giants by R. Buckminster Fuller, good read and eye opening.

I'm sure there are people who profit off of swine flu, and I am sure there are people who profit off of swine flu scares. But the conspiracy requires too much control and too widespread cooperation to happen. There is a much simpler answer: there are people who invest in certain businesses knowing that they will profit only when bad things happen. Further, there are politicians who are weighing the best medical advice they can get along with the political calculus whether over or underselling the risks is smarter in the long run. All of this can at times work together, but there is no coordinated conspiracy. They're not that smart.

there is no coordinated conspiracy. They're not that smart.

I agree. I'll reassert my position that a conspiracy of this magnitude simply could not be sustained. There would have to be so many people "in on the secret" that one or more of the weaker links would inevitably break...

Also research:

Simple vitamin D cures swine flu.

I saw this purported in the Mercola article as well. Dr. Mercola, D.O. sells tanning beds on his website. They are to supposed to aid in the synthesis of Vitamin D, but they look like regular old tanning beds to me. You talk about folks in the government profiting off the swine flu and its vaccination, but do you not think that he may be trying to profit off this claim as well?

Also, I've heard a lot of people claiming that there has been a fear-mongering and propaganda campaign from within the government. I haven't really seen this, though.

Don't get me wrong, there has been fear-mongering, but I've mostly seen it from the media. They are the ones that really do profit from fear-mongering (which is why I get most of my news from public broadcasting). The CDC, from what I can tell, is sending a carefully crafted message. They need to let people know about the dangers of this illness (which could still be pretty bad despite early reports) and giving people the means to prevent illness through vaccinations and common sense (hand washing, etc.). At the same time, they can't take that message too far as to cause a panic.

Now, I don't think the government always has my best interest at heart. I'm a skeptic by nature. However, I'm also not in the camp that will distrust any message from the government without doing the research first.

P.S. No offense was meant in my post, Fernando. I've got nothing but respect for you and what you've done for the Louisville dining scene

No offense taken David. We are all entitle to our opinions I respect yours and hope you respect mine.

I respect yours and hope you respect mine.

Sure. I'm all for civil discussion. I think this world could use a little more civility at times

Now we're on to biological weapons? I'm not a conspiracy theorist and distrust all of them.

As for the 60 minutes piece--everyone--and I mean everyone--thinks the 1976 Swine Flu treatment was a debacle. But it's been over 30 years. They've figured out a lot.

Yes, they've figured out a lot. But lying is a very very old skill. I think people are still capable of it.

(Happy not to be paralyzed in 2009)

My theory of things presumes human depravity, it doesn't ignore it. Lying to what end? Why?