Chick-Fil-A under fire again

I posted the previous two links because I thought they presented relevant perspectives that are not often considered or heard. They were not meant to continue to debate here.

However, the second one was written by one of those B's that doesn't feel adequately represented by the B in LGBT. I thought some here with "B" family members might've found it food for thought.

That is all.

Ooops! Speaking of radical fanatics.... dude had 50 rounds with him:

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/c ... ying-group

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/09/19/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-organizations-funding-ceased_n_1896580.html

This doesn't change anything for me, as I think (even by fast flood standards) that their food sucks. Even so, there's still that thing about CF threating legal action on the Eat More Kale guy.

I posted the previous two links because I thought they presented relevant perspectives that are not often considered or heard. They were not meant to continue to debate here.

However, the second one was written by one of those B's that doesn't feel adequately represented by the B in LGBT. I thought some here with "B" family members might've found it food for thought.

That is all.

Regarding Steve H. previous post of the B kid:

OK, here's the thing ....
There are messed up people in every walk of life be it gay, white, Republican, piano teachers, brunettes, right or left handed, vegetarian, Hindu, cab drivers, or whatever minor segment of society you wish to divide people up in. Being a member of any one segment of society is no guarantee that that member will be happy, stable, well adjusted, honest, dishonest, beleaguered , depressed, anxious or any other temperament you can think of. Yup, the kid in Steve's post sure seems sad and miserable and it looks as if he is all too happy to blame his gay mom. (btw, no where in his post did I see where he / she sought out any therapy or help. Just saying...) there are plenty of kids of GBTL parents that had stable, happy upbringings and countless kids that were the product of straight marriages that were as dysfunctional as an outhouse rat. Just what were you hoping to bring to light with that article? We keep forgetting the issue re: gay marriage. It's simply this,
"hi, I want to marry my same sex partner because I love them and don't want to think of my life without them. I want to make a commitment in the most emotional as well as legal way possible. OK?"
To which same sex marriage opponents scream "NONoNoNO! Because it makes me uncomfortable."
The answer to this ridiculous response should be, "I am sorry but YOUR comfort level has no bearing on MY marriage."

OK, here's the thing ....
There are messed up people in every walk of life be it gay, white, Republican, piano teachers, brunettes, right or left handed, vegetarian, Hindu, cab drivers, or whatever minor segment of society you wish to divide people up in. Being a member of any one segment of society is no guarantee that that member will be happy, stable, well adjusted, honest, dishonest, beleaguered , depressed, anxious or any other temperament you can think of. Yup, the kid in Steve's post sure seems sad and miserable and it looks as if he is all too happy to blame his gay mom. (btw, no where in his post did I see where he / she sought out any therapy or help. Just saying...) there are plenty of kids of GBTL parents that had stable, happy upbringings and countless kids that were the product of straight marriages that were as dysfunctional as an outhouse rat.

These are all in disputable points. The whole thing could be made up as far as I know. It seemed true and real enough for author to have made it worthy of some thought.

Just what were you hoping to bring to light with that article?

I came across the article quite randomly, and thought it was interesting as coming from a perspective that I hadn't considered before. I shared it here, as I thought others (like you) might find it similarly interesting. <shrugs> I truly wasn't trying to make a point or a judgement about anyone or anything.

I posted the previous two links because I thought they presented relevant perspectives that are not often considered or heard. They were not meant to continue to debate here.

However, the second one was written by one of those B's that doesn't feel adequately represented by the B in LGBT. I thought some here with "B" family members might've found it food for thought.

That is all.

Regarding Steve H. previous post of the B kid:

OK, here's the thing ....
There are messed up people in every walk of life be it gay, white, Republican, piano teachers, brunettes, right or left handed, vegetarian, Hindu, cab drivers, or whatever minor segment of society you wish to divide people up in. Being a member of any one segment of society is no guarantee that that member will be happy, stable, well adjusted, honest, dishonest, beleaguered , depressed, anxious or any other temperament you can think of. Yup, the kid in Steve's post sure seems sad and miserable and it looks as if he is all too happy to blame his gay mom. (btw, no where in his post did I see where he / she sought out any therapy or help. Just saying...) there are plenty of kids of GBTL parents that had stable, happy upbringings and countless kids that were the product of straight marriages that were as dysfunctional as an outhouse rat. Just what were you hoping to bring to light with that article? We keep forgetting the issue re: gay marriage. It's simply this,
"hi, I want to marry my same sex partner because I love them and don't want to think of my life without them. I want to make a commitment in the most emotional as well as legal way possible. OK?"
To which same sex marriage opponents scream "NONoNoNO! Because it makes me uncomfortable."
The answer to this ridiculous response should be, "I am sorry but YOUR comfort level has no bearing on MY marriage."

Amen!
Deb

I posted the previous two links because I thought they presented relevant perspectives that are not often considered or heard. They were not meant to continue to debate here.

However, the second one was written by one of those B's that doesn't feel adequately represented by the B in LGBT. I thought some here with "B" family members might've found it food for thought.

That is all.

Regarding Steve H. previous post of the B kid:

OK, here's the thing ....
There are messed up people in every walk of life be it gay, white, Republican, piano teachers, brunettes, right or left handed, vegetarian, Hindu, cab drivers, or whatever minor segment of society you wish to divide people up in. Being a member of any one segment of society is no guarantee that that member will be happy, stable, well adjusted, honest, dishonest, beleaguered , depressed, anxious or any other temperament you can think of. Yup, the kid in Steve's post sure seems sad and miserable and it looks as if he is all too happy to blame his gay mom. (btw, no where in his post did I see where he / she sought out any therapy or help. Just saying...) there are plenty of kids of GBTL parents that had stable, happy upbringings and countless kids that were the product of straight marriages that were as dysfunctional as an outhouse rat. Just what were you hoping to bring to light with that article? We keep forgetting the issue re: gay marriage. It's simply this,
"hi, I want to marry my same sex partner because I love them and don't want to think of my life without them. I want to make a commitment in the most emotional as well as legal way possible. OK?"
To which same sex marriage opponents scream "NONoNoNO! Because it makes me uncomfortable."
The answer to this ridiculous response should be, "I am sorry but YOUR comfort level has no bearing on MY marriage."

Amen!
Deb

+1

Steve H. ....not wanting to put words into my daughters mouth I asked her to read the same articles you posted. Here is her reply, in full, posted with her permission:



Hey Momma,

I skimmed both the articles that were posted and found problems with both. The Bi guy said he hadn't had proper male or female role models because his parents were lesbians. One, that invalidates lesbians as proper females and two it assumes he had no social interaction outside the home. He sounds like someone who's been bulied a lot by the very people he expected to understand him, the LGBT community. Bullying someone for being different is as common inside the LGBT community as it is outside it. Even the oppressed can be assholes.

The other article mentioned being upset when children weren't allowed to read the bible or pray in schools. As yet, I know of no cases where an individual child has been kept from doing either. All of the cases of this I have seen were about ending organized displays where all children were expected or required to participate (group prayer, class prayer/bible readings etc.). The difference between tolerance of worship and the mandate of worship is pretty clear here, and I'm tired of it being brought up out of context.

As to my own sexuality, I don't think it matters. That's actually my stance on almost any issue about gay politics. My sexuality shouldn't matter. If I want to mary another human being of consenting age, my sexuality shouldn't matter. If I want to vote for a poltician who will cut government spending without damaging welfare programs, my sexuality shouldn't matter.  If I want to eat chicken, my sexuality shouldn't matter. And if I want to talk to God, then until God brings it up in conversation, my sexuality shouldn't matter. So no one who signs my tax forms, or gets my vote, or tailgates me on the expressway, or babysits my kids or stands in line with me at the library or sells me chicken should have one goddamned word to say about what shape of body turns me on. It isn't their business anymore than what position I like my sex, or what time of day, or how many times or whether it takes AA or AAA batteries. Sex is personal and intimate, and therefore not within the purvue of public debate. My sex is between me and my partner, and no one else gets to have an opinion on it.

If you want to post any of that on the forum, feel free. I'm not a member, so I can't. I would ask that you not edit any of the last paragraph, as I'm rather proud of its structure.

I tend to stay out of LGBT debates, as I don't feel they should happen. Debate acknowledges that there is an issue fit for public debate. The sex I have is not up for debate.

Love you, Momma.

Hope that helps.

Xx

Carla,
I had no intent or desire for that article to be taken as personally as you obviously did. I should have made that clear when I posted it. So, please except my apology for any distress that I caused you and your daughter.

FWIW, I think it's the instability and infidelity, more than anything else, that predicts behavioral and developmental issues with children. This is true regardless of the sexual orientation of the parents. That was the main take away that I had from that article. It was right there, front and center, but it was like the author couldn't even recognize that huge "neon warning sign" from his childhood.

Carla's daughter doesn't sound distressed at all to me. She sounds like a reasonable lady who makes some great points.

Carla's daughter doesn't sound distressed at all to me. She sounds like a reasonable lady who makes some great points.

Yes she does. I'm just sorry that she got dragged into this. That's the distress that I'm talking about.

Oh Steve, no need to worry. I wanted her viewpoint and she happily provided. (laughing) Few people can "drag" my daughter to do anything she deems unimportant.

Oh Steve, no need to worry. I wanted her viewpoint and she happily provided. (laughing) Few people can "drag" my daughter to do anything she deems unimportant.

Sounds to me like you have a very smart and sensible daughter.

Thank you very much Mr. Shade!

Carla,

Would your daughter mind if I posted her letter to Facebook? I loved her comments and her tone.

You obviously raised a great kid.
Deb