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Re: Raw Milk?

by Kyle L » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:03 pm

An Overview of U.S. State Milk Laws ~ This is the newest one I could find...

http://www.uiowa.edu/~ipro/Papers%202009/Raw%20Milk%20Report%20Final.pdf
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Re: Raw Milk?

by Rob Coffey » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:43 pm

Kyle L wrote:An Overview of U.S. State Milk Laws ~ This is the newest one I could find...

http://www.uiowa.edu/~ipro/Papers%202009/Raw%20Milk%20Report%20Final.pdf


7 states in which it is legal. Considering one of them is California, there should be good stats on the dangers of raw milk sales. Personally, I think it should be legal as long as "caveat emptor" is stamped on the side of the package. :D
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Re: Raw Milk?

by Kyle L » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:04 pm

Personally, I think it should be legal as long as "caveat emptor" is stamped on the side of the package. :D


I feel the same way about Trans Fats. :D
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Re: Raw Milk?

by Chris M » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:33 pm

There is no enzyme, nutrient or anything else in the milk of a COW that is necessary for human survival that is not also found in other, much more nurtrirional sources. Anything or anybody who claims otherwise is either making it up or has an agenda (milk producers anyone?)

The majority of human being on the planet earth do not consume cow's milk in any form as part of their normal daily diet. Humans are the only mammals on the planet who consume the milk of another mammal and also the only ones who drink milk beyond childhood.

The milk of an adult female COW is intended to provide a baby COW what it needs to grow up to be an adult COW. It doesn't even provide what an adult cow needs to survive. Just like goat's milk is for baby goats, cat's milk is for baby cats, dog milk is for baby dogs and human milk is for baby humans.

There is a reason most mothers naturally stop producing milk as the infant grows. It is no longer needed. For all mammals.

There is no need for any adult mammal to ever consume milk in any form or quantity. Most adult can't even digest it. The statistics on lactose intolerance are skewed becuase many people, while unable to properly digest milk or milk products, have no or minimal adverse effects from consuming it. Repeated studies have shown that 75% or more adults in of most ethnic groups do not produce enough lactase to properly consume milk. Studies of asians show rates as high as 90%. These are up from rates of 1%-2% for children under 2. We lose the ability to process milk for a reason.

Raw milk contains cow blood, cow antibodies, pesticides and hormones (high estrogen levels are common) from the cow, along with a lot of other potentially harmful things that it picks up either from the cow, or from the people handling it. It is banned in most states for a reason. It's not safe for general consumption.

A strong, healthy person is unlikely to get sick from it, but not immune.

There is this false perception that natural or unprocessed is always good. There are a lot of foods that are unfit or even harmful to consume until they are cooked, treated, frozen, processed or whatever. "Natural" is not always better.

Human's drink cow's milk because cows are docile animals and produce milk in abundance. There is no natural selection or reason other than that. Cow's were easy to raise, their meats is yummy, their skin makes good shoes and they produce a LOT of milk. End of evolutionary story.

Having said that... you need milk to make cheese and (most importantly) ice cream. So as long as there is a Comfy Cow, my consumption of dairy products will continue.

The one argument for cows milk is that if God didn't want us to consume it, he wouldn't have put it in ice cream.

Amen people. Amen.
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Re: Raw Milk?

by Michelle R. » Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:03 pm

You had to go and say "Comfy Cow," didn't you? Looks like we'll be making a trip this weekend.
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Re: Raw Milk?

by Bill R » Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:53 pm

John Hagan wrote:
Mark Head wrote:Milk is a drink for nursing mammalian infants. Get your calcium and vitamin d from other sources.


Right on, sir! From what I have read one grapefruit will more than cover your daily needs for each of these. I was surprised to find out how much calcium can be found in fruit.



I would rather die of scurvy than eat a grapefruit.
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Re: Raw Milk?

by John Hagan » Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:34 pm

Bill R wrote:
John Hagan wrote:
Mark Head wrote:Milk is a drink for nursing mammalian infants. Get your calcium and vitamin d from other sources.


Right on, sir! From what I have read one grapefruit will more than cover your daily needs for each of these. I was surprised to find out how much calcium can be found in fruit.



I would rather die of scurvy than eat a grapefruit.


Well after I did more reading it looks like it would take about fifteen to twenty grapefruits to cover the your recommended daily calcium needs, assuming you ate nothing but grapefruit.
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Re: Raw Milk?

by Charles W. » Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:42 pm

Nothing like a plate of warm chocolate chip cookies and a big glass of chilled . . . grapefruit juice. :shock:
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Re: Raw Milk?

by Chris M » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:46 am

Actually, kale, spinach and broccoli are the best non-dairy sources of calcium. Studies have shown that vegetarians obtain and retain more calcium in their diet than anyone because protein reduces the bodies ability to properly process and retain calcium and milk is high in protein.

As is meat.

One study claimed that drinking gallons of milk to get calcium is roughly the equivalent of trying to fill a bathtub with no stopper by turning the water up.

Might eventually fill the tub, but not the smartest way to go about it.

Citrus has calcium in it, but the main benefit of citrus is that it reduces the rate of calcium loss, so a diet high in citrus often means a siginificant reduction in the amount of calcium needed by the body and a reduction in bone loss.

Too often we only consider one aspect of our diet, without really understanding the interactions of the foods we eat. People who eat a high vegeatable and high citrus diet likely don't need to ever drink a dairy product or take a calcium supplement. People who eat mostly meat and potatos probably aren't getting enough calcium and try to make up for it by drinking milk, which then adds to the whole over protein, over fat problem most of us suffer from.

It's a balance. Dairy is fine.. in moderation, but can be easily substituted for much healtier options.

Raw (and most importantly whole, which = lots and lots of saturated fat) milk is most certainly NOT a good option. Unless you just want to live less.
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