Flu Shots - you getting them?

Thanks, Nimbus. I like the inspirational montage. Thomas Edison weren't no dummy.


I'd also like to share an email that my mother sent me 3 months ago. This was letter written by a very close friend of her's who quit her position on the research team at UofL because of her ethical conflicts.

This does not speak for me and I even critized the content with my mom, I think just think it's topic worthy, considering she was in the front lines:




"Hi all,

Passing along some information pertaining to the swine flu vaccine campaign this fall. I'm sure many of you are following the swine flu issue and may be aware of the push to vaccinate the population this fall (adults and children). Lately, I have had the privilege of being in on two conference calls with many of the lead vaccine researchers and vaccine/health rights advocates. They are VERY concerned about the legislation put in place to vaccine the public in the name of "a public emergency"…but unfortunately there are many pieces of the puzzle that make little sense to do that. This group has developed working groups to get information in the hands of the public as soon as possible before the fall. The government is purposing using public schools as vaccine clinics for children and adults. So, if you have or know of parents who have their kids in public school please pass on the information below.

The first website link below was created by this working group which provides a one stop information center for current events regarding legal and health issues pertaining to the mandatory vaccination movement. You can print off the downloads from this site and pass on to loved ones and friends. You can also place them in public venues such as libraries, schools, churches, gyms, neighbors, etc. The flier listed below is a 3-fold which explains in detail the issues with the swine flu vaccine both in health and legal rights. I have learned some very disturbing news about this vaccine in the last month knowing that the ingredient list contains such items as retinal cells from aborted fetal cells, cockroach DNA, Squalene, and petroleum products. Squalene has been associated with Gulf War Syndrome in our veterans and in laboratory studies debilitating arthritis in 75-100% of laboratory mice where they were dragging their hind quarters. So, there is definite room for concern. Even if this does not become a forced vaccination campaign people need to know what they would be voluntarily submitting themselves and their loved ones to.



Plan on hearing big hype and propaganda in the next few months about the dangers of this "pandemic" and the wonders of the vaccine in preparation for this fall. The goal is to generate enough fear to drive the masses into accepting a vaccine for which the government and the pharmaceutical companies are completely exempt of liability if we become vaccine injured. Most reports are stating that the swine flu is even milder than the seasonal flu and everyone who has had symptoms recover just fine. The reports of death have been in people with compromised immune systems to begin with. The best way to protect from any illness is to be well nourished (organics), whole foods, low or no sugar, plenty of sleep, low stress, exercise and plenty of sunshine or supplemental vitamin D3. Also, the last link is a webnar below is of Dr. Sherry Tenpenny DO, a great educational listen to find out more details of the behind the scenes of the swine flu vaccine movement and what we all can implement to protect ourselves in reality. You can subscribe to the free site and gain access to all the archived webnars. "


Information website on pandemic vaccine news: http://www.pandemic fluonline. com/

3-fold flier on the risks of the swine flu vaccine: http://www.pandemic fluonline. com/wp-content/ uploads/2009/ 07/EducateYourse lf_Flyer_ final.pdf

Dr. Meyer Eisenstein, MD website with Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, DO webnar: http://www.homefirs t.com/

Flu can kill you. There is no evidence that the amount of Thimerosal in the flu vaccine will cause any lasting problems. But, like almost any medical intervention, there is some risk in getting the vaccine--just a greater risk in not getting it.

Walking across the street can kill you too. But most of us still do it. Life is all about calculated risks. Some of us prefer to take a few chances in life. Here is a neat commentary on risk (and life):

http://derschlaefer.soup.io/post/214630 ... tion-video

Cheers!

Sure--I like to take risks that promise some kind of reward--riding my bike fast down hills, eating eggs that aren't cooked all the way through, etc. I just don't get taking a greater risk when there is little to no reward to it. Just remember, Glen Beck is leery of the Flu vaccine . . .

I'm not saying you shouldn't get a shot or shots. I'm just saying it is a calculated risk.

And yes, there is a reward to not getting a shot. For one, you save money (free!). And for two, you don't have to take the time to go somewhere, wait in lines, etc. And, you don't have to get poked with a needle.

So there are three rewards to not getting shots. Time, money, and no poke in the arm. I won't even go into the potential side effects. Risk odds are a very interesting and complex subject, I agree. I've made it 43 years, so doing ok so far....

p.s. I do like that video!

Cheers...

Let’s see… Three cases of H1N1 at work already. A nurse friend has an ICU filled with children on ventilators with H1N1. Hmmm… Will I be getting the H1N1 vaccine? YES. Flu season has not even really started and too many already have it.

At my work we're being asked to get both shots as a way to protect fellow employees.

I really want to restate (not because I'm being attacked yet, but because I'm sure my post will be ripped apart in criticism for the lack of substantiation and the fact that it IS outdated by three months [when the email was received] if I don't make this clear), that I was only sharing the e-mail from my mom. I really don't have any big superstitions - I'm a lot like Nimbus on this topic. Can you tell I'm paranoid about the statement I feel like I may have just projected? I just think it's kind of interesting. I'm not pregnant, an infant, or a mother, so I probably won't get the shots cause I can live without it. If I get sick, I'll go to the doc and avoid contaminating people. Key: eat healthy = be healthy, most of the time.

interesting topic....

i am really on the fence with this. I have four children, and i want them to be healthy and SAFE.

but, this vacccine, really has not been tested (from what i know). I just fear that 20 years from now my children, and their generation, will be suffering things "from that vaccine".

i really, honestly just do not know.

interesting topic....

i am really on the fence with this. I have four children, and i want them to be healthy and SAFE.

but, this vacccine, really has not been tested (from what i know). I just fear that 20 years from now my children, and their generation, will be suffering things "from that vaccine".

i really, honestly just do not know.

There is no way to test the vaccine widely because it is a singular strain--it has to be developed at the last minute. The vaccine is identical to the seasonal flu vaccine except in the tuning of the targeted flu.

I'm not saying you shouldn't get a shot or shots. I'm just saying it is a calculated risk.

Seems to me that when you hung out a sign that said you served food and drink to the public your risk calculation should have changed. You only speak of your personal risk, not the risk as the owner of a public establishment.

Dr. Meyer Eisenstein

Wow, I looked up this dude, and he's a bit too much of a snakeoil salesman for my tastes.

I'll probably skip getting the vaccine as it doesn't seem to matter if I get one or not, sometimes I get the flu, other times I don't, there's no rhyme or reason to it. If the doc says that we all have to get one or we can't come in to see patients then I'll get one.

I was living in NJ during the 1976 Swine Flu Epidemic-That-Wasn't. It is true that the law passed then to protect the drug manufacturers is still in place. They have NO LIABILITY if the vaccine causes any illness. 25 people died in 1976 before they stopped innoculating, many more still have the effects of Guillaine-Barre. I am leary of the speed this was done. I am also looking at the numbers. Normal seasonal flu so far is more lethal. I have not taken a flu shot in years, I normally do not get the flu, but the shot has always made me sick for 3-4 days. I think I will take my chances without either shot, but I have become more cautious and have a large bottle of hand sanitizer in my desk. I think this winter you will see a lot more first responders and patients wearing masks, not a bad thing. If people would just STAY HOME (home, not just from work, from aunt Sadie's, the grocery, the WalMart) when they are sick, it would stop a lot of this.

Don't sneeze on me, Bro!!

Don't sneeze on me, Bro!!

HA!

There is a woman I work with who insists on bringing her germs with her to work. She has three young kids, and every other week, she is in here hacking, sneezing, coughing, etc. I wish she would just stay HOME. I don't want her germs, nor do any of my co-workers. We are given two weeks off. Period. I hate having to use my time by being at home, sick, because someone else decided to come to work and spread the funk. Plus, my boss is a germaphobe, and has asked us on multiple occasions to stay home if we are sick, yet this woman insists on coming in, no matter how sick she is. If I get swine flu because of her, I will be a VERY unhappy camper, but I'm still not getting that shot. I don't trust it.

I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. However, this is what I've gleaned from my research on the topic. I'm not a fan of hysterics, and I think both sides of the issue have blown it out of proportion to some extent. No, the pandemic isn't as serious as originally thought (though there would be many people bemoaning the government response had they not been prepared for a serious pandemic). On the other hand, a lot of misinformation is going around about the vaccines.

Thimerosal is only used in multi-dose vials of the flu vaccines (seasonal and H1N1); pregnant women and children can get the single-dose vaccine which only has trace amounts (<1 microgram per dose). I am neither, but still got a single-dose vaccine at the Walgreen's clinic.

To put the amount of mercury per dose into perspective, a dose of the multi-dose vial vaccine has 25 micrograms of mercury in it. According to my calculations (with data taken from the FDA), a 5 oz. can of albacore tuna contains, on average, around 50 micrograms of mercury. I'm not saying that either is safe, you just don't see a whole lot of people up in arms about a can of tuna...

Humans in general tend to assign large probabilities to rare occurrences that garner a lot of media attention. This explains why people, against sound science/statistics, are afraid to fly, afraid to get vaccines, and play the lottery. I think this is called cognitive bias due to the availability heuristic (though it's been a while since college psych.)

I take issue with the Mercola article. I was able to take one purported "fact" from the article and debunk it within a matter of minutes by going to the website where he claimed to get the information. People tend to have a "knee-jerk" reaction to anything the government (or doctors speaking on behalf of the government) tells you to do. People have an intrinsic mistrust of the government, but they will trust medical advice from someone who:
1) Isn't an MD
2) Makes you sign up for his mailing list to read his articles
3) Sells tanning beds, salmon, and cookware on the same website with his "medical" articles

Also, I think anyone who has a 401(k) will know that past performance doesn't guarantee future results. I've neither received the shot nor gotten the flu before, but I've gotten the shot this year and will get the H1N1 shot when available. I have an infant at home, and if her ped. says she needs one, she will be receiving the vaccine as well. If my wife, my daughter, or I got seriously sick from a preventable illness, and I didn't take the appropriate steps to prevent it, well I'd feel terrible.

Let me put it this way:
I wear a seat belt every time I'm in the car.
I've never gotten into an accident before, yet I still wear a seat belt.
It won't protect me from all bodily harm, yet I still wear a seat belt.
There is a rare chance I'll be in a situation where I'd be better off not wearing one, yet I still wear a seat belt.

So if you're not getting the vaccine, fine. I would just ask that you do the research on what I feel is an important issue before making your decision.

Wow... That was a long post. Sorry about that

@ David H. - well reasoned, thought out, and (apparently) researched post.

While I do not get the flu shot for my own personal reasons, your seatbelt analogy is a good one.