LMPD raid/shut down Bardstown Rd bar

There appears to be more nascent libertarians in this thread than expected.

[Robin Garr]

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There appears to be more nascent libertarians in this thread than expected.

You may be failing to discern the distinction between right-libertarians and left-libertarians.

This test is fun, not very scientific, but illustrated an interesting view of political position on two axes as more meaningful than the usual binary:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

[Robin Garr]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Came out about where I expected ...

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printab ... &soc=-5.28

I'm not taking that. There are too many false dichotomies right there on the first page.

[Robin Garr]

I'm not taking that. There are too many false dichotomies right there on the first page.

I'm not taking that. There are too many false dichotomies right there on the first page.

Check it.

If you are not doing anything wrong, why worry about being searched?????? I am sorry, I think you also forfeit your rights when you hang out in a place like that.....there may be a few people who get there rights violated but it is time to clean up this country.

I'm forced to disagree. Americans do not forfeit their rights when they go to a particular bar. That's just crazy talk.

I understand, you are on the other side of this issue.....my feelings are not hurt if I get searched for drugs....I don't have any....ever.

In my opinion, this is the problem with our country. We are not willing to accept zero tolerance as to what we think our rights are....same as my belief that cops do not need to have a reason to pull you over.....and test you for BAC. Our right is to drive safely on the roads.....not to avoid getting caught.

I'm forced to disagree. Americans do not forfeit their rights when they go to a particular bar. That's just crazy talk.

In the interest of a civil forum, I'll exclude the "crazy talk" part, but I'm on board with all the rest of this. When we give up our rights in the name of security, the bad guys have won.

Robin, so do you think we should get rid of our laws and police?

I'm forced to disagree. Americans do not forfeit their rights when they go to a particular bar. That's just crazy talk.

In the interest of a civil forum, I'll exclude the "crazy talk" part, but I'm on board with all the rest of this. When we give up our rights in the name of security, the bad guys have won.

Well then I guess they've won!! Just tried to fly any place these days or try to enter a governmental building. Everyone is treated like they are criminal until they prove otherwise. Metal detectors, briefcase, purse and package searches, etc. I do kind of agree with Steve K. on this issue, if you don't have anything to hide why should you worry about being searched so that something somebody is trying to hide can be discovered?

Is it more an issue of the inconvenience we do not like and not so much the infringement of rights? I understand there are bad apples in every group around the world. I don't expect our government to be perfect but I expect them to protect us....and I think they do a pretty good job of that.....but there are still plenty of people that have hate in their souls and want to hurt us.

I give my consent at the airport because I have no choice. It's forced consent. Consent or fly. That's like consenting to a sneeze.

There's a smidge of wisdom to the "innocent men don't run" argument, but I agree it is a slippery slope and it does NOT justify a police state. (it's not the same as "if he wasn't guilty he wouldn't have been arrested" analogy above, however, that's Argument by False Analogy)

They key point here is "was it a legal search?" If it was, then everyone was at the airport. If it wasn't, then it's time to go Ferguson on the LMPD.

You consented....no one forced you to fly....you knew the deal and you chose to fly....I think it is my right that someone search everyone before I get on a flight as well.....so whose rights are more important...yours or mine???

I am willing to compromise....are you?

It is pretty simple in my opinion.

[Robin Garr]

Robin, so do you think we should get rid of our laws and police?

Not at all. But I think the laws should be (and, generally are) exercised with restraint, and the police need firm civilian control.

Zero tolerance? That IS crazy talk.

If you are not doing anything wrong, why worry about being searched?????? I am sorry, I think you also forfeit your rights when you hang out in a place like that.....there may be a few people who get there rights violated but it is time to clean up this country.

I'm forced to disagree. Americans do not forfeit their rights when they go to a particular bar. That's just crazy talk.

I understand, you are on the other side of this issue.....my feelings are not hurt if I get searched for drugs....I don't have any....ever.

Just curious... have you ever been frisked before? Have you ever had your car searched? I can't imagine someone saying this who has... You are out with your family and you are cool with being frisked in front of them? You are late for work and you will stop for a quick pat down? You are at a funeral and you are cool showing you have nothing in your pockets, or waist band?

Not me man. My person and property is private, and I would not consent to a search regardless the circumstances. I always assert my fourth amendment right to not be searched. I would never give up a right so easily. Now they have at times searched anyway, but they have also never found anything to charge me with, well, not in those searches at least.

Having nothing to hide is great, but that doesn't mean you don't have a liberty to protect. I would really ask you to think about that, cause if you don't protect that right it might not be around for future generations.

If you are not doing anything wrong, why worry about being searched?????? I am sorry, I think you also forfeit your rights when you hang out in a place like that.....there may be a few people who get there rights violated but it is time to clean up this country.

I'm forced to disagree. Americans do not forfeit their rights when they go to a particular bar. That's just crazy talk.

I understand, you are on the other side of this issue.....my feelings are not hurt if I get searched for drugs....I don't have any....ever.

In my opinion, this is the problem with our country. We are not willing to accept zero tolerance as to what we think our rights are....same as my belief that cops do not need to have a reason to pull you over.....and test you for BAC. Our right is to drive safely on the roads.....not to avoid getting caught.

I was never as blase' about it as you are, but I was more of law and order guy than I am now. The so called war on drugs has done much to diminish our freedoms and the rule of law.

Did you know if you are carrying cash, like to pay for dental work, that it can be confiscated? And then you have to prove that you weren't planning to buy drugs with it? This turns the presumption of innocence on it's head and it happens all the time.

Considering that this pretty much criminalizes anyone without a bank account or a credit card, what do you think about these unwarranted searches in light of this?

So what is the answer? I just feel if we start giving everyone what they feel is their "right" then we will become a lawless society.

I respect everyone's opinion, but I can't believe most people are not more willing to sacrifice some "rights" for the greater good.

Maybe I am in the minority, but I have never had one bad run in with the law enforcement, in which I did not warrant being stopped.

Why would I take a large amount of cash somewhere other than where it needed to go, especially a bar?

Again, what is the compromise? Let's face it our country is broke and it probably will never get better without a dramatic downfall.

Why would I take a large amount of cash somewhere other than where it needed to go, especially a bar?

Maybe because it's legal? Besides, if you read the article, most of these people have the cash taken during traffic stops when they are just driving to "where it needed to go".