Inedible Objects in Food Stories

Given most of my posts have been in the asshole nature

Ding Ding Ding. How about this, J - Go out into the world and open a business, and choose then to never share with the world how you've ever F'ed up, and we'll all make fun of you for being a pansy. Go on with your bad self...

I own 2 businesses and would never knowingly put my customers safety at risk. I can't believe you are even attempting to defend a restaurant that knowingly puts customers at risk like this.

Given most of my posts have been in the asshole nature

Ding Ding Ding. How about this, J - Go out into the world and open a business, and choose then to never share with the world how you've ever F'ed up, and we'll all make fun of you for being a pansy. Go on with your bad self...

I own 2 businesses and would never knowingly put my customers safety at risk. I can't believe you are even attempting to defend a restaurant that knowingly puts customers at risk like this.

Name your business, and we can get this conversation started. EVERY person makes mistakes, and based on you grammar and spelling history (and over-emotional drunk posting), your customers likely have stories to tell.

My businesses have nothing to do with this issue.

This is about a local business who chose to put the safety of their customers at risk as opposed to impacting their bottom line. I honestly can not believe that I am the one you are attacking here Ronnie;s behavior simply can not be rationally defended.

In terms of my drunk postings, after I returned from military service I walked a dark path with alcohol. As of November 14th, I will have been sober for 6 months. I struggle ever second of my life with what I saw and how I can escape from it with alcohol. I can't imagine that I won't relapse in the next 6 month as my brain won't stop showing my pictures of war.

In terms of my misspellings, you are correct I have to edit often. As a English major who formerly was a grammar Nazi, I have right brain damage from a war I should have never been in.

My businesses have nothing to do with this issue.

This is about a local business who chose to put the safety of their customers at risk as opposed to impacting their bottom line. I honestly can not believe that I am the one you are attacking here Ronnie;s behavior simply can not be rationally defended.

In terms of my drunk postings, after I returned from military service I walked a dark path with alcohol. As of November 14th, I will have been sober for 6 months. I struggle ever second of my life with what I saw and how I can escape from it with alcohol. I can't imagine that I won't relapse in the next 6 month as my brain won't stop showing my pictures of war.

In terms of my misspellings, you are correct I have to edit often. As a English major who formerly was a grammar Nazi, I have right brain damage from a war I should have never been in.

I wish you the best, J. I also forgive the shortcomings of our fellow LHB members quickly, and that should come as no surprise. What fun would this forum be without them? Ronnie is as good as they come, and definitely doesn't warrant the the criticism you're so loftily trying to impose, and I smell the need for a scandal. About a post from a good guy contributing here that contributes a lot more than you do. So again - when you feel like putting your business on the line, I'll be happy to listen. Until then, your comments are lecherous.

Post script: I don't devalue a person's negative opinion about a fellow member, as long as it's not caustic and irrational. I'm just sensitive to people attacking those of us who do post just because we post here and are comfortable with it. That's all .

I dropped a white plastic ring from the lid of a Rice Wine Vinegar jug in a batch of White Chili one time. Search as I may, I could not locate the obviously round plastic ring in the 40 gallon kettle of chili. One of my stores found it later (before it made it to the customer) when they were preparing the batch for service.

So you knowingly sent out chili to your stores with a plastic ring in it as opposed to throwing that batch out? Really? Nobody called him out on this? And on top on this, you choice to publicize it?

What if someone would have choked on this? Given most of my posts have been in the asshole nature, but you need to be called out for this. This is irresponsible and dangerous. How can anyone have faith in the safety of your food..

Anyone in danger of choking on a plastic cap seal ring shouldn't be eating chili in the first place. Choking on a bean is more likely. So, it doesn't seem like a sanitation or safety issue at all.

I could see reasons either way to throw the whole batch out. But, we should remember that the item was removed before being served to a customer; so it's hard to argue that the appropriate care wasn't taken.

[Robin Garr]

Given most of my posts have been in the asshole nature

Ding Ding Ding. How about this, J - Go out into the world and open a business, and choose then to never share with the world how you've ever F'ed up, and we'll all make fun of you for being a pansy. Go on with your bad self...

Say ... the last time J appeared on the forum it appeared to be only for the purpose of stirring up stuff, and at the time I told her that I expected an apology and a private message about getting her single-initial forum name in line with our policies.

Now she's back, still posting as just-plain "J" and stirring it up again.

What shall I do?

Given most of my posts have been in the asshole nature

Ding Ding Ding. How about this, J - Go out into the world and open a business, and choose then to never share with the world how you've ever F'ed up, and we'll all make fun of you for being a pansy. Go on with your bad self...

Say ... the last time J appeared on the forum it appeared to be only for the purpose of stirring up stuff, and at the time I told her that I expected an apology and a private message about getting her single-initial forum name in line with our policies.

Now she's back, still posting as just-plain "J" and stirring it up again.

What shall I do?

I thought J Dylan's over-reaching condemnation was answered quite well by Jackie. “J” should ask herself the question, “Why am I the only one here who thinks this way?” before she accuses the rest of the forum of failing to live up to her definition of right.

Had her post been couched in a less aggressive tone, she might have actually sparked a constructive dialog about the situation. As it was, her attack on a valued member followed by her self-serving excuses of prior military service and alcoholism served only to impugn her own opinion as that of a bitter person lashing out to make herself feel better.

As Jackie said, and as your own history of forbearance has amply demonstrated, anyone can freely express their own opinion on this forum as long as they do it in a respectful, thoughtful, way.

I'd like to see her given a chance to respond.

Thank you to everyone for the support. I guess I should have told the "whole" story as I left out the mundane details in favor of the more sensational parts in the spirit of the thread.

My customers were NEVER at risk. We cook all of our soups and stews to an excess of 165 degrees. The plastic ring in question was cooked along with the soup and therefore effectively cleansed of any potential contamination hazard (of which there should have been no more than that of the onions or beans that were also in the chili). I made every effort to find the ring as I portioned the chili, including some straining of the chili as I went (ultimately this proved to be destructive to the texture and quality of the chili so I abandoned the process). Unable to find the ring, I made a choice. Knowing that it was not a contamination hazard and that it was large enough to be found before it was ever served to a customer (it is much easier to find a white plastic ring in 12 oz. of chili than it is 40 gallons...), I went ahead and sent the chili out to my stores. Before doing so, I called each store (there were 4 at the time) and informed them that I had lost the ring and that they should be on the lookout for it in the next batch of chili. The ring was found in the chili before it was prepared for service to the customers. The ring would not have posed a choking hazard had it made it to the customer's bowl anyway, as it was larger in diameter than the bouillon spoon we serve it with and would have been detected by the customer in a worst case scenario.

I would NEVER put my customers at risk. I have thrown out more food than many restaurants have served on the back of the quality not being quite right, much less there being any kind of safety risk. We have rigorous standards for our food quality and safety. Our kitchen is USDA and FDA inspected and regulated. Anyone here is welcome to come take a look around. I am proud of our kitchen, our process, and our standards.

My anecdote was meant to be a humorous missive about the early days of cooking when I let an inedible object elude my vigilance. I assumed it was implied that I would not put my customers at risk nor behave irresponsibly. Otherwise, why would anyone in their right mind share such a story on a public forum such as this?

Shucks.

[Robin Garr]

I'd like to see her given a chance to respond.

That's my instinct too, Shane, although sadly, if experience is any guide, "J" will return to the shadows, lurking around, declining to participate as a member of the community, until in a few weeks or months some random post will lure her out from under the porch again, barking and yapping, having paid no attention whatsoever.

Ronnie, to be honest when I read your first post, I was a little put off. Not enough to make a big scene over it, but I can understand why someone else might be.

That said, I thought your second post explained it better.

Also, is J a woman, Robin, or you referring to J as "she" as some sort of insult? If so, grow up, i expected better out of you

I guess J could be a woman, but i always associate assholey behavior with men. but maybe im projecting

[Robin Garr]

Also, is J a woman, Robin, or you referring to J as "she" as some sort of insult? If so, grow up, i expected better out of you

Dan, I'm pretty much a feminist in the real world, so I wouldn't use that form of insult. I seem to recall that J is a Jane, though.

Please excuse the all caps, but I can't ask this any other way.

WHY ON EARTH WOULD IT BE INSULTING TO REFER TO ANYONE AS A "SHE"?

well then, i guess I can't answer any other way...



THAT WAS MY POINT. I LIKENED IT TO 10 YEAR OLDS CALLING EACH OTHER GIRL'S ON THE PLAYGROUND AND I WAS SURPRISED THAT ROBIN WOULD USE IT AS SUCH.

Robin then took the time to set me straight. If anything, I am guilty of being sexist towards men by assuming J Dylan was a man, the sex to which I attributed the asshole gene. Apparently it is universal, so I apologize to any men who were offended by my careless remarks.

And Robin, I'm sorry for accusing you as well. You are my moral compass on this board, and I thought my world had been shattered

When I came to the forum and saw 3 pages of replies I should have known.

I big old plastic ring from a vinegar jar... That is gonna get noticed and not put in your mouth.

Now, on the other hand tonight at dinner there were whole cooked cardamom seeds in my dish. Bite into one of them. I'll chew plastic. And, on top of the Cardamom, there were pieces of tree bark (cinnamon) and whole stems/seeds (clove) but the absolute worst part, CILANTRO... There was dirty soapy sweat socks in my dish. DAMBIT GUMBY

I remember an old Rockford Files and the guy Jim used to have help him who was a conniving scoundrel ne'er do well, one time took out a test tube, uncapped it, and put silver fish in his salad in an attempt to get his meal comped. Now that is how you do it folks!

Plastic ring indeed!

When I came to the forum and saw 3 pages of replies I should have known.

I big old plastic ring from a vinegar jar... That is gonna get noticed and not put in your mouth.

Now, on the other hand tonight at dinner there were whole cooked cardamom seeds in my dish. Bite into one of them. I'll chew plastic. And, on top of the Cardamom, there were pieces of tree bark (cinnamon) and whole stems/seeds (clove) but the absolute worst part, CILANTRO... There was dirty soapy sweat socks in my dish. DAMBIT GUMBY

I remember an old Rockford Files and the guy Jim used to have help him who was a conniving scoundrel ne'er do well, one time took out a test tube, uncapped it, and put silver fish in his salad in an attempt to get his meal comped. Now that is how you do it folks!

Plastic ring indeed!

Ditto and