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Papa John seems to be coming out for Romney. What do you think?

Dumb move! He's bound to lose business from those who disagree
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Smart move! Obama isn't popular in Kentucky.
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Doesn't matter. Hardly anybody cares.
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Other. (Discuss)
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by Mark R. » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:07 pm

Joel H wrote:I did not know that Mark uses voice recognition software. However, that "total sweetie" recently wrote on the board:

Mark R. wrote:For all we know the profits from one of the local ethnic restaurants could end up in the hands of an extremist group in the Middle East.


which is one of the worst sentiments I've seen on HotBytes, pretty much ever. No pass.

Joel, to start with was posted a completely different thread and certainly doesn't apply here. Secondly when you take it out of the context of the discussion it was posted in it sounds much different. Please do not take any of my postings and try to twist their meaning! Besides, what part of that is a bad sentiment? I didn't identify any restaurant or group, you must be inferring something if you think it's a bad sentiment.

Joel H wrote:I'm sorry, there's no context for me in which such xenophobia is acceptable, ever.

See my comments above! And please explain your statement.
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by Jeremy J » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:10 pm

I had to vote other, because even though I think that opposition to "Obamacare" regardless of polit ical allegiance is ignorant, selfish and unpatriotic; and I hate John Schnatter's politics; I can't say I'll never order a pizza from them again. It's easy, and not terrible pizza, that's just me being honest. Having said that- I'm more than happy to pay $1 more a pizza if it means a more fair healthcare climate for my fellow citizens and myself, can I sign up for that?

Since this has already gotten political I just want to say this- if you have a problem chipping into health care for fellow citizens here in the USA, F*CK YOU. Yeah, I'm serious. I have no patience for the wealthy and/or conservative bitching and whining about the healthcare law. It's disgusting. And before some of you chime in with your "what about smokers and the obese" arguments let me just tell you this- I have a 2 year old son with a congenital heart defect. If it wasn't for Obama's healthcare plan he would never have been able to even qualify for the (insanely expensive) heath insurance that he now has for his ENTIRE LIFE. He didn't make any choices that made his health unusual. I make less than $30,000 a year and his heath insurance premium (exclusive of his $2500 deductible) costs more than some mortgages. I don't want to hear some rich person bitching about having to actually pay taxes for a change. I'm happy to pay the taxes I pay and contribute to a cause that helps us all. I would love to see what John Schnatter would have to say if he had a loved one in the same position my family has been put in. Love your neighbor, people.
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by J Dylan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:11 am

Jeremy: "if you have a problem chipping into health care for fellow citizens here in the USA, F*CK YOU. Yeah, I'm serious. I have no patience for the wealthy and/or conservative bitching and whining about the healthcare law. It's disgusting".....Based on your other posts, you work at The Blind Pig. Please outline the health insurance plan The Blind Pig offers for its buss boys, dishwashers and cooks. If they offer good insurance, than I am l happy for those getting it. If no insurance is offered, than you are a hypocrite.

"I make less than $30,000 a year"..."I don't want to hear some rich person bitching about having to actually pay taxes for a change. I'm happy to pay the taxes I pay and contribute to a cause that helps us all."...I realize this forums members are way more liberal than the norm, but its not my fault you have a low paying job. I know I will be accused of being a dick, but that's the truth.

"I don't want to hear some rich person bitching about having to actually pay taxes for a change."
...86% of federal taxes are paid by the top 25% of income earners. The top 50% pay 97% of all federal taxes. The top 1% pays over 34% of all federal taxes. Seems fair to me.

The truth is.."I'm happy to pay the taxes I pay and contribute to a cause that helps us all." Based on what you say you make, you aren't really paying anything significant in terms of your federal taxes.

Since you currently are not, but strive to "contribute to a cause that helps us all"..Please click this link and donate more..https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formIn ... Bthe%2BPub

...you are welcome to pay more.

"I have a 2 year old son with a congenital heart defect. If it wasn't for Obama's healthcare plan he would never have been able to even qualify for the (insanely expensive) heath insurance that he now has for his ENTIRE LIFE."..
God Bless your family and son. I pray for his health.

What has already been inacted so far that has helped your son? I'm not saying nothing has been, but I am unaware of changes that have already happened that are helping you.

"would love to see what John Schnatter would have to say if he had a loved one in the same position my family has been put in."..Do some research into John's family before you post an uneducated and inaccurate position. He has a special needs son. You really shouldn't post an opinion on a subject in which you are ignorant.
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by Joel H » Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:45 am

Mark R. wrote:Joel, to start with was posted a completely different thread and certainly doesn't apply here.


The quote was posted out of the context of its meaning in the original thread, but I posted it in this thread because I clearly think you're a moron.

Mark R. wrote:Secondly when you take it out of the context of the discussion it was posted in it sounds much different.


Nope, that quote is moronic and offensive in ANY context, and I'm still obviously a bit upset that more people on HotBytes didn't call you out for your bigotry in the original context. So I have no problem adding your stupid, xenophobic and bigoted quote to this context. Deal with it.

Mark R. wrote:Please do not take any of my postings and try to twist their meaning!


There's no meaning to twist, pal. You think hard-working immigrants from the Middle East here in Louisville might possibly contribute financial support to terrorists. You slurred a diverse community of people, most of whom don't really have a voice in the larger mainstream community of Louisville (and certainly not on white-bread ol' HotBytes). I think you should be held responsible for your slander.

Mark R. wrote:Besides, what part of that is a bad sentiment?


If you can't figure it out, you're dense.

Mark R. wrote:I didn't identify any restaurant or group, you must be inferring something if you think it's a bad sentiment.


I am not inferring anything. This is what you wrote:

Mark R. wrote:For all we know the profits from one of the local ethnic restaurants could end up in the hands of an extremist group in the Middle East.


That's clearly calling out a group! And it's offensive and wrong. And frankly un-American. Love it, and all the people who come here from other places trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, or leave it, buddy!
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by RichardM » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:07 am

Robin Garr wrote:Naw, I was just having fun, Joel. No offense meant.!



Confused look... having fun.. in a non-offensive way...

Should that be moderated out of the thread then?

Or is it that only some people's posts with humorous/funny comments in responses get moderated?

Just asking...
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by DanB » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:33 am

Robin Garr wrote:I find this fascinating, first because of his apparent priorities: Shareholders first, employees second, and his customers, it seems, dead last. But it’s also curious because of his apparent limited command of simple business economics


I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say John, and his fellow board members, have a better grasp of business economics, particularly with regards to managing input costs, then everyone on this forum combined. I've known him since Junior high. We're not big buddies or anything but I can assure you he's an extremely bright guy. I suppose his success should speak for itself and frankly, you look a bit silly suggesting he's a dummy.

Anyway, since I'm in securities, and listen to analyst calls all the time, I think I can add some perspective. Quarterly earnings calls are aimed at analysts, investors, and the financial press. I'm quite sure John didn't expect his relatively normal response to a relatively normal analyst question to be incorporated into the latest yackety-yack political news spin-cycle. The investment community absolutely HATES CEOs/CFOs who try to get cute or coy with their answers.... so that's why he gave a very straightforward answer to the question (posed by Telsey analyst Peter Saleh). If he's not forthright, his share will get pummeled. That's just the way the market works.

Anyhoo, you can read the whole interchange below which makes it clear that PJ's sees the Obamacare cost inputs as marginal in the grand scheme of things.... something the political press doesn't bother to point out.....because it's not their business to provide context.


<Q - Peter Saleh>: Great. And then just last question and I'll hop off. When
you look out to 2014, I know it's still early, anything new on the healthcare
side in terms of how you guys are planning for it or what do you expected
impact could be in 2014?


<A - John H. Schnatter>: Again, another great observation. I'll give you our point of view. Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost about $0.11
to $0.14 per pizza or $0.15 or $0.20 per order from a corporate basis. To put
that in perspective, our average delivery charge is $1.75 to $2.50 or about
ten-fold our estimated cost of the Obamacare to Papa John's.
We're not supportive of Obamacare like most businesses in our industry but
our business model and unit economics are about as ideal as you can get for a
food company to absorb Obamacare, ergo, we have a high ticket average with
extremely high frequency of order counts, millions of pizzas per year.
And giving you an example, Peter, let's say fuel goes up which is does from
time to time, and we have to raise delivery charges. We don't like raising
delivery charges but the price of fuel is out of our control as is Obamacare.
So if Obamacare is, in fact, not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow
out any Obamacare cost and, of course, strategy is to pass that cost on the
consumer in order to protect our shareholders' best interest.


<Q - Peter Saleh>: Great. Thank you very much.
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by Robin Garr » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:33 am

RichardM wrote:Or is it that only some people's posts with humorous/funny comments in responses get moderated?

Context, Richard. This is a wide-ranging, conversational topic. You dropped a joke into an all-business topic in a forum intended for direct questions and useful answers. It's sort of like how most people more-or-less naturally know the difference between telling a joke in a bar and in a business meeting. :?
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The Pizza Tax

by Robin Garr » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:42 am

Here's an interesting take on Papa's statement from Washington Monthly's "Political Animal" column. Worth a quick read:

The Pizza Tax
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by DanB » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:10 am

Robin the article you link is IMHO just more evidence of what I'm getting at. The political journalism class politicizes everything and see political motives in everything.

As someone who has participated in thousands of earnings calls over the last 20 years, I'm absolutely certain he was merely giving a straightforward answer to a straightforward question within the context of an investor conference call. I'm also quite sure that he's ticked off that his comments have escaped the confines of Bloomberg and Reuters and are being played with like a toy in the mainstream political press.
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by Robin Garr » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:21 am

DanB wrote:As someone who has participated in thousands of earnings calls over the last 20 years, I'm absolutely certain he was merely giving a straightforward answer to a straightforward question within the context of an investor conference call. I'm also quite sure that he's ticked off that his comments have escaped the confines of Bloomberg and Reuters and are being played with like a toy in the mainstream political press.

I think you're missing the point, though, simply because your expertise locks you somewhat into the Milton Friedman view of "fiduciary responsibility" placing profit to the stockholder ahead of all other considerations. That's not the long-term view of classical economics, and in the aftermath of the Bush Depression, it may not prevail. That's the point I was trying to make at the top of the thread, Dan ... move outside the box ... come to the liiiiiigggghhhhtttt ... :mrgreen:
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by DanB » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:02 am

I'm not locked into anything and the shareholder value vs stakeholder value debate is something that I'm pretty well aware of.... it not being anythingt new. I'm simply saying that I think you're completely wrong, and taking comments completely out of context when you suggest that Mr. Schnatter is making calculated political statements i.e. firing warning shots across the Obamacare bow. If that were actually his intent, why would he take pains to describe Obamacare costs as negligible compared to fuel, etc and why would he so clearly suggest PJ is well positioned to weather Obamacare?

I just think he was answering an analyst's question just like he's done hundreds of times since his company went public. The chattering classes are the ones cherry picking (and misrepresenting) his comments to make them overtly political.
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by Robin Garr » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:14 am

DanB wrote: The chattering classes are the ones cherry picking (and misrepresenting) his comments to make them overtly political.

Okay.
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by Jeremy J » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:44 am

[quote="J Dylan"]Based on your other posts, you work at The Blind Pig.

I used to work there.

I realize this forums members are way more liberal than the norm, but its not my fault you have a low paying job. I know I will be accused of being a dick, but that's the truth.


Yes, you are a dick.

The truth is.."I'm happy to pay the taxes I pay and contribute to a cause that helps us all." Based on what you say you make, you aren't really paying anything significant in terms of your federal taxes.

Since you currently are not, but strive to "contribute to a cause that helps us all"..Please click this link and donate more..https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formIn ... Bthe%2BPub

...you are welcome to pay more.


See previous response.

What has already been inacted so far that has helped your son? I'm not saying nothing has been, but I am unaware of changes that have already happened that are helping you.


As of right now, insurance companies can no longer…
- Enforce limits on the amount of care you can receive.
- Discriminate against children with preexisting conditions.
- Drop your coverage if you get sick.
Insurance companies must provide…
- Free preventive care (i.e. checkups and mammograms)
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by Adam C » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:48 am

No reason other than convenience anyone in this town should order Papa John's with the many stellar local/way better tasting options we have.
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Re: Papa John says he'll pass along Obamacare costs to consu

by Dan E » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:19 am

When two opposing sides both come across as they do in this thread, it makes me less ashamed of my general apathy.

Now that pizza is out of the way, let's discuss how Obamacare will affect our craft beer consumption, restaurant tipping structure, and rib texture, and then I think it will be safe to move on to a new topic.
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