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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Robin Garr » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:53 am

Shane Campbell wrote:I'm not qualified to be a part of a skilled judging panel and I often get myself in trouble when expressing my opinion. Oh well. My opinion obviously does not invalidate anyone else's.

Shane, I think you are probably well qualified to serve as a bourbon judge, and I certainly implied no criticism of your remarks. Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion, and that goes double for food and drink, where the only taste buds you have to please are your own.

I was just a little surprised because this is a booze that generally wins praise, so I just barked out a "Say what?" without meaning any harm by it. 8)
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Shane Campbell » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:32 am

Robin Garr wrote:
Shane Campbell wrote:I'm not qualified to be a part of a skilled judging panel and I often get myself in trouble when expressing my opinion. Oh well. My opinion obviously does not invalidate anyone else's.

Shane, I think you are probably well qualified to serve as a bourbon judge, and I certainly implied no criticism of your remarks. Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion, and that goes double for food and drink, where the only taste buds you have to please are your own.

I was just a little surprised because this is a booze that generally wins praise, so I just barked out a "Say what?" without meaning any harm by it. 8)


Thanks Robin, but I didn't take any offense at all at your comments. When it comes to bourbon, I am a neophyte for sure and I just wanted to be sure that I wasn't representing myself as anything but a beginner enthusiast who happens to be bold with my own opinions.

I also don't mind at all being challenged regarding my opinion. In fact, I like to challenge other's about their oppinions so far from taking offense, I just took your reponse as an opportunity to talk about it some more.

This has been a very interesting thread for me and I've added several more bourbons to my list of must tries. Cheers!
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Todd Antz » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:19 pm

Shane,

Was that double barreled bourbon the Prichards? That was the first double barrel bourbon I had seen on the market until Woodford came out with theirs this year. Fantastic stuff, tons of character in the Prichards. If I remember, its 8 years in its original barrel, and then it gets almost a year in the 2nd barrel.
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Shane Campbell » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:14 pm

Todd Antz wrote:Shane,

Was that double barreled bourbon the Prichards? That was the first double barrel bourbon I had seen on the market until Woodford came out with theirs this year. Fantastic stuff, tons of character in the Prichards. If I remember, its 8 years in its original barrel, and then it gets almost a year in the 2nd barrel.


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I think the double oaked I had was actually the Woodford Reserve. StephenD will know for sure as he was the one that poured it. I'll PM him if he doesn't see this and respond.

As to the 17Yr Vintage (Willets). I will be in soon to get one of those bad boys and probably Chris will want one as well.

We need to start a whiskey drinking group don't you think? Everybody brings a bottle of something interesting. Maybe we could do it at that cigar bar (Billows?) near your New Albany Store? I don't smoke but I like the smell of cigars. Do they sell snacks?

I'll bring the 17Yr Vintage. You bring the double oaked Prichards. Whose bringing the Va Va Vixen dancing girls?

Cheers Todd!
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Stephen D » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:50 pm

It was the Woodford Reserve, Shane, although I do have the Pritchard's in-house...
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Deb Hall » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:51 pm

Late to the party- I've been slammed...

I have to agree with Shane- not on the Bourbons , but on it depending on your preferred flavor profile. Our preference was opposite of Shane's- but then again I'm an avid bourbon drinker and he prefers ( say it ain't so!) Scotch. :wink: :lol: I loved the Willet Reserve but at $64, opted to buy a bottle of the Johnnie Drum ($24). I thought both did an excellent job with the vanilla, caramel notes we love in our Bourbon; I wasn't familiar with their brands and was really impressed with their portfolio. Nothing pedestrian about these brands....

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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Shane Campbell » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:34 pm

Deb Hall wrote: Our preference was opposite of Shane's- but then again I'm an avid bourbon drinker and he prefers ( say it ain't so!) Scotch. Deb


it ain't so.... :roll:
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Deb Hall » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:39 pm

Shane Campbell wrote:
Deb Hall wrote: Our preference was opposite of Shane's- but then again I'm an avid bourbon drinker and he prefers ( say it ain't so!) Scotch. Deb


it ain't so.... :roll:

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Well at a minimum, you profess to like Scotch very much, where I continue to really not understand why I would want my drink to taste like peat. And yet we still remain friends...:wink:

It was a truly enjoyable Bourbon tasting, and I've been to more than I care to admit. And a total steal for $5 ( with real cheese, crackers and Blue Dog baguette from LB). If he does another tasting near-by, you should catch it, folks.

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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Chris M » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:10 pm

I personally like my bourbon straight, so I tend toward whiskeys that work best straight (which IMO are mostly bourbons from Heaven Hill and Four Roses).

Maker's Mark is the best intro to bourbon drink. It's intended to be reachable for Scotch drinkers or non-whiskey drinkers but has the basic bourbon flavor profile. Not enough of a kick for me. Bourbon should have a kick. You should know you're drinking whiskey.

The best way to do a tasting is to make sure you provide at least one whiskey from each major distillery as all of the whiskeys from any single distillery have a similar flavor profile. They use the same water, the same still, the same grains, the same cooperage and are all stored in similar fashion in a similar location. Many use the same mash bill and are just selected barrels. For example, Ancient Ancient Age is all of the Blanton's that didn't make the cut. Four Roses yellow is a blend of 10 mash bills, Four Roses Small Batch is a subset of 4 of those mash bills, and Four Roses Single Barrel is the best barrels of one of the mash bills. Woodford Reserve is pot stilled bourbon mixed with select barrels of Old Forrester. Jim Black black is older Jim Beam white. etc.

Elijah Craig 18 yr is IMO the best value in whiskey bar none. Not just bourbon. I'd pay double what they ask for it and still consider it a value. Sweet on the tongue with a nice spicy finish and just a little kick to let you know it's there. Every time I drink it I wonder why I drink anything else.

My list would be as follows. These are all reasonably priced bourbons. I'm leaving off Van Winkle and the like, special releases, etc.

So, from Heaven Hill the aforementioned Elijah Craig 18 (though Evan Williams Single Barrel is a great buy as well and about half the price. Elijah Craig 12 is also good. I basically like every bourbon Heaven Hill puts out.)
From Maker's, their name sake
From Buffalo Trace I'd go with Eagle Rare, Elmer T. or even their namesake depending on your budget
From Beam.. uh, I guess Basil Haydens. I'm not a Beam fan. Booker's is fun for shock value. It hurts unnecessarily. The nicest thing I can say about Knob Creek is that it makes a good Manhattan.
From Brown Foreman, Woodford Reserve (just because everyone knows it) or save some money and just get Old Forrester. I actually prefer OF to WR but people expect Woodford because they know it
From 1792, their namesake
From Wild Turkey either Kentucky Spirit or Rare Breed
And from Four Roses their namesake single barrell (though Small Batch is good too, and yellow is nice. Again, I'm a fan of everything they do.)

Weller is also really good and adds a second wheater to go with the Maker's. (Wheaters are for wimps. There, I said it). If you want to mix in a rye, Russell's Reserve is great, and Bernheim could round out your tasting with a pure wheat whiskey to give you both ends of the spectrum.

Start with the Bernheim, then the wheated bourbons (Maker's and Weller), then the rye bourbons and finally the Rye whiskey. Try them straight, with a drop of water and with a single ice cube. Or put a bottle in the fridge and then hold the cold whiskey in your mouth as it warms. It's fascinating to note how the flavor profile changes as the whiskey cools or warms, and it's amazing what a drop of water can do.

Don't provide or allow any mixer other than water. Putting Coke in bourbon is like putting ketchup on a steak. These bourbons deserve better. Jack Daniels is not bourbon.

Bourbon is a wonderful thing. Enjoy discovering it.
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Shane Campbell » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:36 pm

Deb Hall wrote:Well at a minimum, you profess to like Scotch very much, where I continue to really not understand why I would want my drink to taste like peat. And yet we still remain friends...:wink: Deb


Deb, every bit of Scotch I've ever had has been consumed in the last 12 months. I've had the 12yr Macallan at the FS about five times. The 10yr Glen Morangie at Brick St in Jeffersonville once and the rest has been served to me by Stephen D in three separate visits.

I was intrigued by the most peaty tasting of the Scotchs (Speyside?) and I've been trying to find some more to try. Several people have recommended the Oban but at $70 a pop, I won't even considered it unless I've tried it a few times. Someone the other night recommended Laphroaig but I'll just wait until Stephen has amassed the full range of Scotch he was describing recently to pursue the issue.

Peat doesn't sound very appetising to me either and yet I found it to be to be like tasting a pine forest rather than dirt. I like my liquors and beers to have distinct flavors that sustain and develop on the palate. I found the first two bourbons I tasted the other night to be muddled, thin, and with little character beyond the intial taste. I referred to them as pedestrian as in common and tasting like a 4 year old Beam to me.

So, I've been trying bourbons frequently for about three years now and I've identified characteristics I prefer. I like them to smack me in the mouth, smile sweetly afterwards, and leave a sting that makes me want to do it again. But also, I want to be able to identify something unique about them that separates them from the pack. The Noahs Mill and the 17yr Vintage did that for me. Cheers!
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Shane Campbell » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:50 pm

Chris M wrote:I personally like my bourbon straight, so I tend toward whiskeys that work best straight (which IMO are mostly bourbons from Heaven Hill and Four Roses).

Elijah Craig 18 yr is IMO the best value in whiskey bar none. Not just bourbon. I'd pay double what they ask for it and still consider it a value. Sweet on the tongue with a nice spicy finish and just a little kick to let you know it's there. Every time I drink it I wonder why I drink anything else.

So, from Heaven Hill the aforementioned Elijah Craig 18 (though Evan Williams Single Barrel is a great buy as well and about half the price. Elijah Craig 12 is also good. I basically like every bourbon Heaven Hill puts out.)bottle in the fridge and then hold the cold whiskey in your mouth as it warms. It's fascinating to note how the flavor profile changes as the whiskey cools or warms, and it's amazing what a drop of water can do.

Chris, you and I have similar preferences. I've only been drinking bourbon for a few years but the first I identified as being a favorite is the EC18. Wheater's may be for wimps but I love Bernheim and most of my favorite bourbons have a significant wheat bill. I also really like the ryes with Rittenhouse and Bulleit being my favorites.

I like Heaven Hills so much it's the only distillery I've bothered to tour.
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Robin Garr » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:56 pm

Shane Campbell wrote:I was intrigued by the most peaty tasting of the Scotchs (Speyside?) and I've been trying to find some more to try. Several people have recommended the Oban but at $70 a pop, I won't even considered it unless I've tried it a few times. Someone the other night recommended Laphroaig

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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Ed Vermillion » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:15 pm

The peatiest single malt scotch is from the Isle of Islay. Ardbeg is the nasty buggers name. Beware.
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Jackie R. » Tue May 01, 2012 12:13 am

That's a pretty awesome post, Chris.
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Re: Derby Bourbon

by Ray Griffith » Wed May 02, 2012 9:16 am

Woodford lovers, if you haven't done so, have someone help you with a blind test with Old Forester. You might be surprised. Not slamming your bourbon, it's nice enough. However, I haven't bought a bottle of Woodford since.
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