German-style bräuhaus/restaurant

So I guess the city should get rid of all non locally owned businesses? Doesn't sound very feasible. Even though I'm pro local, I believe 4sl is a much better looking front door to the city than the run down mall that used to be there.

Most often, radical views do not mesh or work to well in reality.

What a crock FSL is for this city. Nice example of tourist dollars being leeched out of the local economy. This town sometimes makes no sense at all. Lets send more tax to Frankfort, and give Cordish a raise while we are at it.

Btw, all state sales tax goes to Frankfort regardless of the business, just an fyi. City tax goes to the city.

Tax revenue has nothing to do with local vs. non local.

So I guess the city should get rid of all non locally owned businesses? Doesn't sound very feasible. Even though I'm pro local, I believe 4sl is a much better looking front door to the city than the run down mall that used to be there.

Certainly have to agree that it's much better looking than it used to be but I certainly think one of the goals of the development should've been to provide incentives for local businesses to move in, not just national chains. Especially since most of the ones that have moved in are not widely recognized. I'm sure many local businesses would have jumped at the chance, especially if they were given some of the financial incentives that restaurants that moved in were.

[Robin Garr]

Judging by these pictures of existing Gordon Biersch Restaurants, I'm forced to admit that you are probably correct....I can't seem to recall ever seeing a more bland eating and drinking establishment/s

And the menu ? Probably as boring, unimaginative and one dimensional as they come.

http://www.gordonbiersch.com/resources/ ... _WineB.pdf

Well, it looks "suburban." Let's just leave that one lying in the road, because different people define it in different ways.

Right off the top, though, I'll zing 'em for claiming "American style Kobe beef." That's a lie. Kobe is made in Japan, period. Even if it is Wagyu, the American-bred cattle used in Japan for Kobe, it's still false advertising to call it Kobe; and frankly, Wagyu itself is expensive enough that I have to wonder if they're being entirely truthful.

I agree that more locals would be nice and maybe that will happen over time. J Gumbos has been there since inception so I'm sure more locals is a possibility.

I will be watching this one closely to see if local businesses get any assistance. I bet several local businesses would love to move into FSL...

I am at this moment, imagining (our) Roger A. Baylor approaching the city fathers, hat in hand, asking them for financial assistance in order to move into 4SL. Head shaking moments aside, I respectfully suggest you that may not be considering the entire spectrum of economic realities when it comes to urban-economic development and venues like 4SL.

What a crock FSL is for this city. Nice example of tourist dollars being leeched out of the local economy. This town sometimes makes no sense at all. Lets send more tax to Frankfort, and give Cordish a raise while we are at it.

If I were a betting man, I would wager that after applying generally accepted accounting practices to the "big economic picture" that 4SL has more than paid the city of Louisville back for the subsidies it has enjoyed. To wit, anyone who thinks that a downtown Louisville without 4SL would be even remotely as vibrant as it is now, is probably not in touch with the reality of the situation.

Disclaimer: I have been to 4SL -once- in the past three years.

Btw, all state sales tax goes to Frankfort regardless of the business, just an fyi. City tax goes to the city.

Tax revenue has nothing to do with local vs. non local.

Just wondering....Where does the 14.9% Hotel tax go ? Frankfort or Louisville ? I was under the impression it stayed local.

To wit, anyone who thinks that a downtown Louisville without 4SL would be even remotely as vibrant as it is now, is probably not in touch with the reality of the situation.

Disclaimer: I have been to 4SL -once- in the past three years.

The same point applies to PT's Showclub and I have not been there in the last 3 years.

We had a Gordon restaurant in Seattle. Also, another one in Honolulu. They do not spare cash on the interior. As far as chains goes I think it would lean towards the Eddie Merlot model. The conventioneers will feel comfortable but not something I would drive downtown to experience. Same old, same old....

I'm not certain on that but fairly sure it's a local city tax. I believe there is also a tax district downtown that a portion of the taxes goes to the debt on the new arena.

Btw, all state sales tax goes to Frankfort regardless of the business, just an fyi. City tax goes to the city.

Tax revenue has nothing to do with local vs. non local.

Just wondering....Where does the 14.9% Hotel tax go ? Frankfort or Louisville ? I was under the impression it stayed local.

Why is that every time somebody so much as says "Fourth Street Live" on this board it turns into a 5 page rant about the injustices of outside investment, government and corporate America?

Local companies had from the beginning of time until about 8 years ago to invest in downtown. They declined. In LARGE numbers. (I know, I spent 5 years working in local government).

Now you want to bitch because the city finally went and found someone who would? Because they had to go OUTSIDE of town to find someone willing to take a risk on OUR downtown? Because they city agreed to share in that risk by offering incentives?

I also think some of you should look up what a tax incentive is and how it works, cause you're not getting it.

It always amuses me to read threads on this board that delve into business related topics. It take little time to understand why restaurants have such a high failure rate. For some reason cooking skill and business acumen rarely go hand in hand. As in, almost never exist in the same person.

Sad.

Well said, Chris.

It always amuses me to read threads on this board that delve into business related topics. It take little time to understand why restaurants have such a high failure rate. For some reason cooking skill and business acumen rarely go hand in hand. As in, almost never exist in the same person.

I don't see where an unwillingness to embrace a robber baron model of capitalism implies an absence of business acumen. Perhaps the two aren't the same thing?

I don't see where an unwillingness to embrace a robber baron model of capitalism implies an absence of business acumen. Perhaps the two aren't the same thing?

This is when I need one of those Facebook "Like" buttons on this site.

I don't see where an unwillingness to embrace a robber baron model of capitalism implies an absence of business acumen. Perhaps the two aren't the same thing?

This is when I need one of those Facebook "Like" buttons on this site.

Ditto