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Re: Laguiole

by Jackie R. » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:52 pm

Well I'm pretty sure I've used the term "wine key" from the start cause I definitely wasn't opening bottles before entering the industry, so it's entertaining to me that ROBIN GARR is unfamiliar with it. Not to tease, though, I promise, just tickled - I'm probably just a comtemporary dreg here. My idea of a corkscrew has always been one those old fashioned ones with two arms and a ring around the top (there's a name for it, right?). I think I used one at Gayle's X-mas party and had to recruit assistance.
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Re: Laguiole

by Gayle DeM » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:05 am

Yes, Jackie, you used one of the old fashioned things at my house. :lol:
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Re: Laguiole

by Steve P » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:08 am

To avoid such controversy I just buy wine with screw off caps.
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Re: Laguiole

by Bill P » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:47 am

Steve P wrote:To avoid such controversy I just buy wine with screw off caps.

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You are a true renaissance man. :wink:
In most cases, I'd rather have my wine with a screw cap, so I can avoid the 3-8% of wines that are ruined by TCA/cork taint? My only exception to this guideline is if it is a wine that I intend to cellar/age for a number of years.
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Re: Laguiole

by Robin Garr » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:13 am

Jackie R. wrote:it's entertaining to me that ROBIN GARR is unfamiliar with it.

:oops:

Seriously, Jackie, based on the similar discussion I started on our Wine Forum, it appears to me that "wine key" is a FOH term, while "corkscrew" is a wine enthusiast term. I'm guessing that servers started calling the cork puller a "wine key" by analogy with the "church key" used to open beer, but what do I know?
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Re: Laguiole

by Kyle L » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:51 am

I've never heard 'Wine Key' and was in "THE BIZ" for 6-is years; a couple FOH. I, originally, thought you were talking about something to lock your Wine Cabinet. :oops:
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Re: Laguiole

by Ethan Ray » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:12 am

When I think of Laguiole... I think of three things... and in this order.

Restaurant Bras
Laguiole knives
Laguiole corkscrews (which tend to be very related to the styling of the knives...)


Thanks for reminding about seeeking continued inspiration from Michel and Sebastien Bras.
It's been a while... :wink:
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Re: Laguiole

by Steve Shade » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:55 am

Steve P wrote:To avoid such controversy I just buy wine with screw off caps.


Mad Dog and Thunderbird are always good. No trouble opening.
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Re: Laguiole

by Matt MB » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:29 pm

It's interesting how much time wine enthusiasts and those that work in the field spend assembling a language around wine and yet there is very little info on this 'wine key' business on the web. I spent at least a couple hours online to no avail and reading through the literature, I didn't come up with much. I'm going to render an opinion, though, if I can figure out how to post pictures.

I believe this is a corkscrew:

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Since most wine openers have them, the devices are commonly referred to not as their given name but instead the common component.

This only website I could find discussing the matter directly had this to say:

"A great multi-purpose wine tool is a waiter corkscrew or "wine key." A wine key has a knife for removing the foil from the top of the wine bottle, a corkscrew that you twist down into the cork and then a lever for leveraging out the cork."

It is however a home shopping website with limited authority on the matter I would say.
http://docs.hdpi.com/PE-Links/articles/BarToolsGuide.html

Brian Julyan's "Sales and Service for the Wine Professional call's the device a Waiter's friend, however, it is, while authoritative, a British publication and I haven't heard that used frequently here in the U.S.

So, in my opinion, "wine key" works best to differentiate the device from others with corkscrews attached. Wine key corkscrew would also work too, I think.

On the origin of the term, I have no idea. A key opens things, right. Someone mentioned on the other board that device on your canned ham or sardines used to open the can is called a key as well and surely one could see it being in the same spot as a church key and needing to be differentiated.
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Re: Laguiole

by JustinHammond » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:41 pm

All info from.

http://www.wine-tastings-guide.com/wine-opener.html

Waiter's Corkscrew - A waiter's corkscrew is the basic folding corkscrew that folds up and can be easily held in your pocket. It is named for the fact that it is the traditional wine opener used by most restaurant servers and Sommeliers (the wine steward at a restaurant). They have a worm (the corkscrew part) which is twisted into the cork and then lever action is used to pull it free. These generally also include a small knife as well which serves to cut the foil off the bottle before pulling the cork. These are handy and easy to use with a little practice. While many of the ones you see around are cheap plastic ones, wine lovers and Sommeliers often enjoy showing off their fancy elegant Waiter's corkscrews which are often decorated with fine woods and engravings.

Many of the finest Waiter's corkscrews, like the one pictured above, come from an area in Provence in the south of France called Laguiole. There are several makers there but the best feature beautiful carved wood handles and engraved metals. I've had the most luck with Chateau Laguiole and La Forge de Laguiole. The wine opener above is from Chateau Laguiole and features olive wood from France. These are truly works of art and a fine way to present and serve your wine. These also make a great gift for a wine lover! I recommend trying to find Waiter's corkscrews with a teflon coated worm as it makes it a lot easier to screw into the cork, particularly for firm corks.


Ah-so - This is a wine opener which is simply a handle with two metal blades. You basically slide the blades on either side of the cork and then slowly pry it out. These can be frustrating for some and we don't use them regularly, but they do avoid the need to have any knowledge of how to use the lever action of a Waiter's corkscrew. Where I think they do shine is in very old wines with corks which are very decayed. These corks tend to crumble if you try to screw into them so with an Ah-so you can gently pull them out without destroying the cork and ending up with chunks of cork in your wine!


Butterfly (Winged) Corkscrew - These are a very common type which most people have. They consist of a corkscrew attached to a frame with two long arms which pivot upwards as the cork is screwed in (hence the name butterfly or winged). These are very easy to use and quick.


Standard Screwpull® - Screwpull® is a particular company which makes many of the wine openers available in fine wine stores these days. Their standard model is a long teflon coated worm with a twist top handle and a separate plastic cage which sits over the top of the bottle neck. The twisting action of the worm in the cork slowly pulls the cork out so that you do not have to pull or lever it out. These are also easy and fast and require little or no practice or prior knowledge to figure out.


Screwpull Lever Model (The Rabbit) - Several companies market various versions of this lever-pull model wine opener although I believe Screwpull® was the original. This is a larger contraption so it is not as handy and portable as a good Waiter's corkscrew or even the standard Screwpull but it is super easy and really fast. While they are a bit more expensive, stick to the good brands like Screwpull as some of the cheaper versions break relatively easily. Basically, the mechanics of the Screwpull does all the work for you, you simple hold the top of the bottle with a vice and the lever is lowered and then raised gently, screwing into and pulling out the cork in one swift movement. This also makes a good gift for a new wine lover and are quick and easy. On the other hand, if you want a more portable option, look elsewhere.


Cork Pops (CO2 Injector) - There are several versions of this one as well, but basically it is a handle with a long needle which is inserted down through the cork. Pressurized carbon dioxide is then injected which pushes the cork up from beneath. This is a cool gimmick and always impresses people but doesn't always work easily with all corks. Also, they do require replacement of the carbon dioxide cartridges occasionally, depending on how often you use it.
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Re: Laguiole

by Matt MB » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:46 pm

That does seem to confirm the distinction between the device and the corkscrew. Now if we could figure out the "wine key" origin.
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Re: Laguiole

by Matt MB » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:53 pm

Not to be confused with wine key chains:

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Re: Laguiole

by JustinHammond » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:05 pm

Matt Bates wrote:That does seem to confirm the distinction between the device and the corkscrew. Now if we could figure out the "wine key" origin.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_accessory
There are many different inceptions of the wine bottle opener ranging from the simple corkscrew, the screwpull lever, to complicated carbon dioxide driven openers. The most popular is the wine key, sommelier knife or "waiter's friend" which resembles a pocket knife and has a small blade for cutting foil and a screw with a bottle brace.

I guess it is just different names for the same thing.
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Re: Laguiole

by TP Lowe » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:14 pm

Not to ruin the thread, but I have a wonderful set of Laguiole steak knives that were a gift a few years back from my lovely bride. I also noticed they have some pretty nifty pocket knives now. I do want a wine thingy, though (I'm not diving into the name debate).
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Re: Laguiole

by Beth K. » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:41 pm

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