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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Kyle L » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:28 am

It still sucks for the SPECIFIC employees laid off, but on a macro scale makes no difference.


The fact they no longer have a job and unable to contribute to an economy seems to me it would hurt everyone. Even if it's only 100 people. But, I'm not sure the scope people have on their mind when thinking of Macro/Micro.
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Steve P » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:17 pm

Rob Coffey wrote: If that is the case, the dining dollars they were getting will get spread around and assuming that there is a roughly constant dining$/restaurant employee ratio (market wide, not individual restaurant) then the jobs lost will be replaced thruout the industry. It still sucks for the SPECIFIC employees laid off, but on a macro scale makes no difference.


Rob,

You running for some kind of political office ?...or maybe buckin' for some kind of guv'ment job ? You've got the lingo/rationalization part down pat.
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Mark Head » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:39 pm

The old saying, it's a recession when your neighbor loses their job - it's a depression when you lose your job seems appropriate.
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Becky M » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:58 pm

Rob Coffey wrote: It still sucks for the SPECIFIC employees laid off, but on a macro scale makes no difference.


My husband was laid off right before Thanksgiving. Believe me, it makes a freaking difference, no matter what scale you are talking about. Doesn't matter what type of job that was lost either. 100 employees, is not just 100 employees. 100 employees is 100 families, many children, homes, etc. Rent still needs to be paid, bills are still coming in, and on top of that the holidays are here. Put yourself in the position where you have to tell your children that there will be no gifts and not a lot of food this year because you are trying desperately to pay rent and keep the utilities on...........yeah it makes a difference..... a BIG DIFFERENCE.
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Roger A. Baylor » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:19 pm

Compassion and empathy when it comes to anyone losing a job, even more so during the holiday season, are not incompatible with espousing a principled position of eschewing chain-think and keeping dollars in the community. It may seem to be incompatible, but it is not.

I'm as reluctant a capitalist as they come, and right now we're doing okay, although by no means great. Every day's a prize fight, but just the same, I got into the game with certain rules in force, and I accept them -- win, lose or draw, even if some of them I'd like to eventually see changed.

I don't want to see any person out of work. At the same time, as an independent operator engaged in a struggle for existence, if I can take market share from Max and Erma's, I will. No regrets. That's because they, and every other chain like theirs, has no qualms taking it from me. As we grow, we hire workers. Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?

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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Steve P » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:20 pm

Mark Head wrote:The old saying, it's a recession when your neighbor loses their job - it's a depression when you lose your job seems appropriate.


It's an old saying...but still rings true. Unfortunately
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Rob Coffey » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:37 pm

Becky M wrote:
Rob Coffey wrote: It still sucks for the SPECIFIC employees laid off, but on a macro scale makes no difference.


My husband was laid off right before Thanksgiving. Believe me, it makes a freaking difference, no matter what scale you are talking about. Doesn't matter what type of job that was lost either. 100 employees, is not just 100 employees. 100 employees is 100 families, many children, homes, etc. Rent still needs to be paid, bills are still coming in, and on top of that the holidays are here. Put yourself in the position where you have to tell your children that there will be no gifts and not a lot of food this year because you are trying desperately to pay rent and keep the utilities on...........yeah it makes a difference..... a BIG DIFFERENCE.


Read what I wrote. If your husband loses his job and someone else gets a job, on the macro scale it makes no freakin difference. As I said, it matters to the SPECIFIC employee (and his family and friends) but not in a macro sense.
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Rob Coffey » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:39 pm

Steve P wrote:
Rob Coffey wrote: If that is the case, the dining dollars they were getting will get spread around and assuming that there is a roughly constant dining$/restaurant employee ratio (market wide, not individual restaurant) then the jobs lost will be replaced thruout the industry. It still sucks for the SPECIFIC employees laid off, but on a macro scale makes no difference.


Rob,

You running for some kind of political office ?...or maybe buckin' for some kind of guv'ment job ? You've got the lingo/rationalization part down pat.


My only political goals are to make politics so unimportant in our lives that I never have to discuss it again.
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Steve P » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:52 pm

Rob Coffey wrote:
Steve P wrote:
Rob Coffey wrote: If that is the case, the dining dollars they were getting will get spread around and assuming that there is a roughly constant dining$/restaurant employee ratio (market wide, not individual restaurant) then the jobs lost will be replaced thruout the industry. It still sucks for the SPECIFIC employees laid off, but on a macro scale makes no difference.


Rob,

You running for some kind of political office ?...or maybe buckin' for some kind of guv'ment job ? You've got the lingo/rationalization part down pat.


My only political goals are to make politics so unimportant in our lives that I never have to discuss it again.


I hear THAT.
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Kyle L » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:55 pm

I don't want to see any person out of work. At the same time, as an independent operator engaged in a struggle for existence, if I can take market share from Max and Erma's, I will. No regrets. That's because they, and every other chain like theirs, has no qualms taking it from me. As we grow, we hire workers. Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?


I see nothing wrong with it at all. My main concern is having some person revel in anyone's misfortune. However, I understand you're not one of these persons. I imagine there is a fine line between business and emotions when dealing with some of these things and feelings do get out of sort...
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Michelle R. » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:03 pm

I think it sucks, regardless of whether it was a chain, or an indie. I'm not happy about ANYONE going under at this time of year. Those people have families, and there are probably a lot of children whose parents worked for Max and Erma's who won't be getting a visit from Santa this year. It SUCKS to be broke this time of year. I'd imagine it's SO much worse to have NOTHING to give to your children on Christmas morning. Just heartbreaking. I guess my husband and I will each be adopting an Angel from the Angel Tree this year.
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by John Greenup » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:58 pm

Sorry to see ANY business go under, for a variety of reasons...but that being said, I'm a little surprised it didn't happen sooner with M&E...quality always seemed mediocre at best, coupled with a rather uninspired menu...I would occasionally visit the location in The Summit, but there were better options in the area.
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Re: another one bites the dust in louisville

by Matthew D » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:43 pm

Rob Coffey wrote:
Steve P wrote:
Rob Coffey wrote: If that is the case, the dining dollars they were getting will get spread around and assuming that there is a roughly constant dining$/restaurant employee ratio (market wide, not individual restaurant) then the jobs lost will be replaced thruout the industry. It still sucks for the SPECIFIC employees laid off, but on a macro scale makes no difference.


Rob,

You running for some kind of political office ?...or maybe buckin' for some kind of guv'ment job ? You've got the lingo/rationalization part down pat.


My only political goals are to make politics so unimportant in our lives that I never have to discuss it again.


Good luck.
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