Bats move Browning's tap again ...

Kentucky is pretty pathetic in their liquor laws and training. When I got my beer and wine licenses, they gave me nothing. Not even a pamphlet. I asked if they have any literature to give to my servers or have any classes...nope. Basically, I'm expected to surf the net, dig up the laws, and figure them out myself.

Neither Louisville (which charged me plenty) nor the state (which charged even more) gave me one speck of information regarding the laws. Seems kinda lame, don't you think? I know it is there (somewhere) on the web in legalese, but couldn't they come up with a page or two of key information? But any of my employees can serve beer of course (I assume) because there is no training required in Kentucky....I assume volunteers would be fine too.

Cheers

[Robin Garr]

But any of my employees can serve beer of course (I assume)

They do have to be 21, though.

They do have to be 21, though.

20 and a day.

[Robin Garr]

They do have to be 21, though.

20 and a day.

Really?! thanks for the correction, Will. I didn't know that.

Kentucky is pretty pathetic in their liquor laws and training. When I got my beer and wine licenses, they gave me nothing. Not even a pamphlet. I asked if they have any literature to give to my servers or have any classes...nope. Basically, I'm expected to surf the net, dig up the laws, and figure them out myself.

Call me cynical, but I always think they are vague on purpose so that they can then come in later down the road and fine the heck out of you for infractions you did not know existed.

To understand how ridiculous the laws are here in Kentucky, just consider this. Liquor stores, if they are doing in-store tastings, can give away samples of wine and liquor, but you have to charge for samples of beer. This has never made sense to me...

I have poured beer at some church picnics. No supervisor. No beer employer. No beer pourer permit from state. No need.

Was is a Catholic picnic?

Oh, I couldn't help it. But, really, it's probably because no one has gotten into an accident while driving home drunk from that particular church picnic then sued the church that no one cares enough to enforce the legislation.

Bringing this full circle, if anyone off the street can pour beer, then training's pretty much out the window, and it might explain why a pourer standing fifty yards away from the brewing equipment doesn't know what or where Browning's is located.

In which case: Can Browning's have one of its own people, or a volunteer, at the booth to sell the beer (and make sure the right keg's tapped)?

Probably a law against that.

Was is a Catholic picnic?

Oh, I couldn't help it. But, really, it's probably because no one has gotten into an accident while driving home drunk from that particular church picnic then sued the church that no one cares enough to enforce the legislation.

Sure it was a Catholic picnic. I have no idea what legislation you are referring to that needs enforcement.

As Nimbus said in an earlier post, training is essentially non existant.

As a server at a picnic, same as anywhere else, you have to be of proper age and sell only to those of proper age. Also no server is supposed is serve someone who is intoxicated.

I owned a bar years ago so some laws may have changed, but I am unaware of significant changes.
I could hire anyone I wanted as long as they met the age requirement. I was responsible for keeping "orderly premises" which included adjacent sidewalks.

You only have to be 20 to serve in Kentucky. The "and a day" part some how has been passed around, but it is inaccurate.

I didn't have any trouble finding out the laws to serve. The ABC inspector that came out for me gave me the posters that had to be posted, along with the rules and regulations. I was also required by my county to go to a State approved training course. So I went to STARS I think. Whatever the class that the state ABC runs and they covered several issues there.

When I moved up to managment at one of the larger beverage shops in town they required one person on staff at all times be Tips certified. TIPS (Training for Intervention Procedures) basic training for when to not sell to a customer. It was not much but it was at least something.

When I moved up to managment at one of the larger beverage shops in town they required one person on staff at all times be Tips certified. TIPS (Training for Intervention Procedures) basic training for when to not sell to a customer. It was not much but it was at least something.

When BBC first opened in St. Matthews in 1993 ALL servers were TIPS certified in addition to BBC Beer School. KY ABC now calls the program S.T.A.R., Server Training in Alcohol Regulations. Jefferson County/Louisville Metro are not listed on the Mandated Server Training site while Lyndon is listed. The Center Plate servers need training in WHAT they are serving as much as STARS/TIPS.

BBC (Clay & Main) has offered server beer school to its customers for years. The O'Shea's Family operations are regulars in the BBC beer school program.

Since we now have seven operational breweries in the Metro area, maybe a unified training plan could be developed. Roger?

When I moved up to managment at one of the larger beverage shops in town they required one person on staff at all times be Tips certified. TIPS (Training for Intervention Procedures) basic training for when to not sell to a customer. It was not much but it was at least something.

What kind of befuddled, self-important acronym is that? Training for Intervention Procedures sounds more like something one might use to save a life, not refuse to serve alcohol. I suppose "check their ID" is just too simple of a guideline for bureaucrats.

You only have to be 20 to serve in Kentucky. The "and a day" part some how has been passed around, but it is inaccurate.

I didn't have any trouble finding out the laws to serve. The ABC inspector that came out for me gave me the posters that had to be posted, along with the rules and regulations. I was also required by my county to go to a State approved training course. So I went to STARS I think. Whatever the class that the state ABC runs and they covered several issues there.

Jefferson County requires nothing. I've had a basic class in Arizona (they required it there). But the state inspector here gave us nothing other than the two mandatory posters.

You're basically on your own. And like somebody else said, perhaps that is so they can fine you when they find out you're in violation of some law.

For the hundreds (or thousands) a year, can't they produce a two or three page pamphlet????? I agree. I think they really just want you to live in ignorance until you're popped and fined.