Daniel Stage

Okay, easy folks. Ethan, you're right, you don't have any obligation to report even definite restaurant news here - however: a doubly-confirmed employment situation with an ad seeking a replacement is NOT gossip. No way, no how.

[Robin Garr]

I apologize if I'm coming off combative in my replies... but frankly, your getting irked/upset/whatever about what are seemingly trivial details is completely beyond me.
I honestly feel I gave a completely rational and socially responsible reasoning why I didn't leak news.

If I'm irritated at all, Ethan, it's because you gave an extended response that clearly indicates that you didn't pay one bit of attention to what I said.

Some people are invested in this community and join in the reporting process. That's clearly not for you, and as I said TWICE, that's fine.

You seem awfully easy to take offense. But please don't project this feeling on me.

Maybe I'm confused (so what else is news...), but surely the posting of a job opening is the responsibility of the establishment needing the position filled, yeah? I can't see how another chef from another establishment should be taken to task for not saying anything. Did I miss something?

[Robin Garr]

Maybe I'm confused (so what else is news...), but surely the posting of a job opening is the responsibility of the establishment needing the position filled, yeah? I can't see how another chef from another establishment should be taken to task for not saying anything. Did I miss something?

Depends.

First, ignore Ethan's rant. He didn't pay attention to what I told him, which is that NOBODY IS REQUIRED TO POST ANYTHING.

But that being said, many of us who participate here are can understand why it's a good thing to post a major restaurant personnel or other change once there is firm information on the street, as there was in this case. By declining to do so, Ethan makes clear that he doesn't care to participate in this activity of the forum. Fine. No problem! It's helpful to me to know that I can't count on him, but NO, IT IS NOT HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO POST.

Sometimes I wonder how I managed to make my living as a writer, but I guess you can't force people to read what you write. Harrumph ...

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This may be one of those instances when our perceptions don't always serve us well. Sometimes our perceptions of people, that they don't care, that they have a certain disregard, aren't actually true. And often we refashion somebody's attitude in a way that we think is true but is actually something else. Maybe we'll never know what it really is, until something happens to make us understand what's really going on. It's happened in the reverse with me as well. People have mistaken my own behavior for something that is so out of line with what I am or what I have felt about a thing that I'm astonished anybody could perceive me in that way (that I don't care about a thing, I mean, or that I don't like them, when in fact what has happened is that I was distracted or shy or scared or anxious or what have you).

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Maybe I'm confused (so what else is news...), but surely the posting of a job opening is the responsibility of the establishment needing the position filled, yeah? I can't see how another chef from another establishment should be taken to task for not saying anything. Did I miss something?

What you stated is true, but the job was posted elsewhere and out of courtesy to those in the industry someone who saw it should have mentioned that he saw it here so others would become aware of the posting. That's called networking which is something everybody uses to find information and jobs. It would not be in bad taste nor spreading rumors to post that you have seen a job posting for an executive chef at a local restaurant someplace else.

Maybe I'm confused (so what else is news...), but surely the posting of a job opening is the responsibility of the establishment needing the position filled, yeah? I can't see how another chef from another establishment should be taken to task for not saying anything. Did I miss something?

What you stated is true, but the job was posted elsewhere and out of courtesy to those in the industry someone who saw it should have mentioned that he saw it here so others would become aware of the posting. That's called networking which is something everybody uses to find information and jobs. It would not be in bad taste nor spreading rumors to post that you have seen a job posting for an executive chef at a local restaurant someplace else.

Sure, I agree that it's not spreading rumors to post a thing like that, never suggested otherwise. But at the same time, I'm not convinced it's anybody's actual responsibility to network other than the folks who need the position filled. Honestly, I don't think it's fair to take Ethan to task for not saying anything. If Le Relais wants the position posted here, it's a simple thing to do. Perhaps one might also assume that since they didn't post the opening here that they didn't want the posting here. But we wouldn't know that unless somebody piped up, and so far nobody has.

Here, here's what I would think, were I in fellow chef's position, knowing a position was open and had been advertised or posted elsewhere but not in another venue where I was a regular. I might wonder why it wasn't posted in that venue, but I might also wonder whether there might be a reason for that (and I'm not saying I know anything to the contrary in this instance), and so frankly I wouldn't take it upon myself to say anything either. And I'd be pretty disappointed if others decided I was somehow professionally suspect for not doing so. I wouldn't expect somebody to post on my behalf, were I in Le Relais' position.

I did say I was backing away, didn't I.... So, again, taking myself out of this, again. I do understand the issue as it's been framed here, I just don't agree with it.

Here's my two cents worth, as a Chef who was offered a Country Club position from a very high profile restaurant gig...

Ethan is right...There is no need to spread gossip and here say about one of our city's finest dining venues...

I'm quite certain that Anthony knew a couple of months ago that Daniel had been offered the Chef Position at Louisville C.C.
Because that Patrick Colley, a very competent and renowned chef in his own right, had been considering other avenues for several months...

I also knew that Daniel was in the running for much of that time...

I don't think that it was improper for anyone to keep this information a "secret"...

If you're a professional in the "loop" then this was no surprise.

Somethings are better left in the dark until the right time.

It's kinda like spoiling the surprise of a proposal from that girlfriend who is just waiting to get the "question"!

I would like to echo what Dan has said, it's threads like this one that keep me away from LHB for extended periods of time, I don't understand what obligation Ethan has to report any information he has, it's always safer to be cautious than to be the one to "break news"
as for posting here so "locals would have a shot" what does that mean? s LHB the only place in Louisville that a local chef would go to find a job??

[Robin Garr]

gossip and here say

Dan, the job was POSTED! That's not gossip, and it's not hearsay.

[Robin Garr]

is LHB the only place in Louisville that a local chef would go to find a job??

By all accounts, the Restaurant Jobs section here is a very effective place to do it, because the restaurant industry has good representation here as participants or lurkers. I suppose they could put a want ad in the CJ, but I doubt it would work as well.

Robin...I for one would not discount the effect that this forum has on finding good help...

I've used this website not exclusively, but as a tool....

The available Exec. Chef position at Le Relais has been posted online for some weeks now...

Raising two obvious questions, Ethan:

1. If you knew that, why didn't you post it here?

2. Why didn't Le Relais post it in our Restaurant Jobs section, which would have offered locals an early shot?

I think this quote pretty much speaks for itself...

This place is a great forum for most of us here...But I find the tone behind this thread as someone "wanting to know more without doing the homework"

People keep mentioning that the job has been posted for a month, but the real issue i s that some people feel slighted for having been left out of the loop, realizing that many in the field have known for the past couple of months something they feel they have a right to know. Meaning... that PRIOR to the job being posted, that many people had no idea was even being advertised, that it was rumor/heresy, thereby justifying their origianl intent to keep their mouths closed. i will be surprised if anyone from the Biz mentions anything like this again, after the outcry from forum regulars for more "beef" and info...