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Re: Burger King UK may be selling horsemeat whoppers

by Doug Davis » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:01 pm

What amusing is the Irish meat producers have been trying to off shore the blame to Poland.

But local eye witness have come forward to show the problem is home grown, which is how it was detected in the first place. Local Irish animal rights activists were staking out slaughter houses when they saw horses being brought in, the horses never came out again, at least not as horses. They then alerted the inspection authorities and had taped proof.

During the Celtic Tiger years of Ireland's boom owning a horse was a sign of economic wealth and social status. Since the collapse in the economy there are approximately 20,000 abandoned horses. It seems many have made their way into the slaughter houses for disposal.


PS- Jeff, eating horse isnt acceptable to most US consumers. And please dont act like we are backwards savages regarding this. Eating horse isnt all that acceptable in most of Europe either with the biggest exception being France I believe.
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Re: Burger King UK may be selling horsemeat whoppers

by Robin Garr » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:17 pm

Doug Davis wrote:Eating horse isnt all that acceptable in most of Europe either with the biggest exception being France I believe.

For what it's worth, horse (and donkey!) meat is fairly commonplace in parts of Northern Italy. I've had donkey ragù in rural Lombardia (the region of Milan), and horse sausages in Bergamo in Lombardia and Valpolicella in the Veneto. Tastes just like beef! :mrgreen:
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Re: Burger King UK may be selling horsemeat whoppers

by Joel F » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:55 am

I have had horse meat on several occasions in Europe. It's easily found in the Benelux and France, though generally on the decline.

not sure how old these numbers are:

Today, horse meat remains popular in Europe and Japan–not just as a delicacy–but as a staple. It is consumed in Austria, Belgium, Canada, Chile, China, France, Germany, Iceland, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Malta, Mongolia, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Slovenia, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom. In Sweden, it outsells mutton and lamb combined. Italy consumes more horse meat than any other country in the European Community. -- http://amillionhorses.com/horsemeat.htm


google: boucherie chevaline

purveyor: http://www.equinox.be/

Horse Meat Almost Delicacy in Parts of Starving Europe
By Lawrence N Eldred
Chicago, Ill (AP)
The Milwaukee Journal - May 19, 1946

Canned and cured horse meat production has risen so fast this year to meet export demand from Europe that trade spokesmen said Saturday Fido's traditional food supply may soon be threatened in this country.

Horses were butchered for pet food over here -- except when some demand developed among housewives during the meat scarcity in the war years -- but horseflesh is a food source for human beings in France, Belgium and the Netherlands, rating virtually as a delicacy in some areas, one authority said.


http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 47,1222804

The article then describes the sources of horses for pet food and human consumption as well as the locations of slaughter & processing facilities in the USA and Canada. It mentions some 2.5 tons of canned & cured horsemeat.

The name for it is "horse meat" or "horseflesh". I'm not sure what having a synonym like "pork" has to do with something's eat-ability. We don't really call chicken anything else do we? If it had a face and a heartbeat it's probably meat to someone, and that means rabbits, horses, goats, guinea pigs and so on.

My assumption is that some tradition of eating horse existed here in the USA, as necessity and as preference amongst immigrants and that this was eventually reduced as beef, pork and poultry production took the lead. Generally it seems that horse was seen as a lesser or inferior meat and only used during the wars as army rations and domestic beef substitutes. Some interesting food anthropology to be done.

"Some of the dressed quarters of nutritious horse meat are pointed out by Burton Hill in his packing plant in Topeka, Kansas, Jan 7, 1943. (AP Photo)"
http://www.apimages.com/search.aspx?st= ... sstyle=and


The winter of 1916 saw a major shortage of flour. It was replaced by dried, ground-up turnips which produced unappetising, diarrhoea-inducing bread. At this time, the staple food of the British soldier was pea-soup with horse-meat chunks.
http://www.military-history.org/article ... h-food.htm


Clearly some people are opposed to eating horse, but if there's a broad cultural aversion in the USA I think it's based on a misapprehension of either quality or flavor. It's foreign or an odd concept because it's not available here any more.
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Re: Burger King UK may be selling horsemeat whoppers

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Re: Burger King UK may be selling horsemeat whoppers

by DanB » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:20 am

For those keeping score at home: Roumania passes laws banning cart horses from traffic rendering hundreds of thousands of horses superfluous. Roumanian horses sent to Netherlands. No one eats more mystery meat than the Dutch so this raises no eyebrows. The Dutch send the meat to a meat plant in Languedoc which has recently been bought by a French Basque company (Basque.... hmmmmm). They rework the meat and send it to the Luxembourg factory of an Alsatian food processor where it eventually goes...... everywhere. It's gone all the way through the food chain and no one knows how long it's been going on.
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Re: Burger King UK may be selling horsemeat whoppers

by DanB » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:34 am

Not to bore everyone with the hydra-like developments but I thought THIS story absolutely takes the cake! Truly unbelievable.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... s_admi.php
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Re: Burger King UK may be selling horsemeat whoppers

by Doug Davis » Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:52 am

DanB wrote:Not to bore everyone with the hydra-like developments but I thought THIS story absolutely takes the cake! Truly unbelievable.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... s_admi.php



Holy Horse! ......I mean cow. :wink:


That makes me wonder if there is anything to that NPR story of restaurants selling sliced pig rectum as calamari rings to unknowing customers.
I think the most recent horror story I heard here in the US is in some markets (Miami?) greater than 50% of the time the fish you get is not the fish you ordered in the restaurant.
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Re: Burger King UK may be selling horsemeat whoppers

by Carla G » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:51 am

Doug Davis wrote:
DanB wrote:Not to bore everyone with the hydra-like developments but I thought THIS story absolutely takes the cake! Truly unbelievable.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... s_admi.php



Holy Horse! ......I mean cow. :wink:


That makes me wonder if there is anything to that NPR story of restaurants selling sliced pig rectum as calamari rings to unknowing customers.
I think the most recent horror story I heard here in the US is in some markets (Miami?) greater than 50% of the time the fish you get is not the fish you ordered in the restaurant.


My dad used to tell the story about a fish monger in Sarasota (where we used to live) that could be regularly seen sitting on the local dock fishing for shark then using a leather die punch (think cookie cutter with a long handle ) to poke out fresh "scallops".
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Re: Burger King UK may be selling horsemeat whoppers

by Joel F » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:59 pm

Horsemeat scandal: Taco Bell withdraws UK beef products

Fast food firm finds some beef contains more than 10% equine DNA as Birds Eye confirms ready meals were contaminated


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/mar/0 ... ws-beef-uk
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