Discussion of Robin Garr's Lynn’s Paradise Café review

Is it 20 years at it's current location? Seems like it's been around closer to 30 years if you count the time they were on Frankfort.

I prefer Verbena Cafe as well and I like the location - I don't want to have to drive into the city for breakfast.

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Robin, I am curious as to why you dislike Norton Commons so much. I think it is one of the most sensible subdivisions created since, well, Crescent Hill. The only difference I see is mature trees.

Willie, I do like it better than McMansions. But it just seems faux, and I question why developers want to build a fairly pricy little "village" with an old-fashioned look in former farm fields when there's a perfectly good city with real neighborhoods just a few miles to the west.

This x10000000. This sums up exactly how iv'e felt about that development since I heard about it.

[Robin Garr]

Somebody probably used this argument against Crescent Hill nee Beargrass development 150 years ago.

Probably true. Crescent Hill was probably founded by unrepentant slave holders looking for a "safe" place to park their Beemer Buggies.

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Robin, I am curious as to why you dislike Norton Commons so much. I think it is one of the most sensible subdivisions created since, well, Crescent Hill. The only difference I see is mature trees.

Willie, I do like it better than McMansions. But it just seems faux, and I question why developers want to build a fairly pricy little "village" with an old-fashioned look in former farm fields when there's a perfectly good city with real neighborhoods just a few miles to the west.

Probably because all the nice pricey homes in Crescent Hill and The Cherokee Triangle are taken. Believe it or not the city is growing. There is a really nice mix of homes in Norton's Commons. Small cottages to bigger homes. Great businesses and you can walk to them. What is not to like about this? Should the developer had made them look newer? I grew up in the triangle and there is no way I could afford the home that my parents bought in 1976. They paid $50K because no one wanted to live there then and the house needed a ton of work. That same house is in the Million plus range now. So when you talk about pricey, lets look at the old subdivisions. Old Louisville, Crescent Hill,.....

When I lived in Indy, we had a similar concept emerge called the Village of West Clay. I pooh, poohed it at first, similar to what Robin is doing to Norton Commons now. Over the course of a few years I realized West Clay was an asset to the community in terms of housing and lifestyle options, tax base and diversity. Maybe not diverse in terms of income, but that community added a big dose of diversity to an otherwise lily white community. Blacks, Japanese, and Hispanics all were well represented as property owners.. In addition to the retail businesses within that development, other businesses opened and flourished in the immediate area around there. I can't say Norton Commons will have the same outcome, but you won't find me rushing to judgement on a community where other folks choose to reside.

Somebody probably used this argument against Crescent Hill nee Beargrass development 150 years ago.

Probably true. Crescent Hill was probably founded by unrepentant slave holders looking for a "safe" place to park their Beemer Buggies.

Wow, a big punch of innuendo for such few words.

So, are you really saying that folks who choose to live in Norton commons are well to do racists who enjoy ostentatious displays of wealth? And that the folks who originally chose to live in Crescent Hill were not taking advantage of transportation improvements of their era to live in what was basically a new suburban development?

This is how I'm reading it. Am I misguided?

This is how I'm reading it. Am I misguided?

Stuff like this gets a little old. Especially when it follows paragraphs like what precedes it in the above post.

This is how I'm reading it. Am I misguided?

Stuff like this gets a little old. Especially when it follows paragraphs like what precedes it in the above post.

I understand. But why do you single me out?

Perhaps you would care to interpret this for me:

Crescent Hill was probably founded by unrepentant slave holders looking for a "safe" place to park their Beemer Buggies.

He lives in Crescent Hill because he likes old homes, history and character. I live in my neighborhood for the same reasons, along with the fact that my history is there. There are plenty of homes for sale in the Cherokee Triangle - no, they're not all taken. I don't live in a giant million-dollar mansion - far, far from it. There is a place for everyone here. We are open and welcome all, and we're close to and accessible to whatever you need.

We live where we live because we like it, and in many cases, we actively dislike the idea of living in another area. I know plenty of people for which the idea of living in a creaky old house is distasteful. To each their own. Does every comment have to be parsed out in minute detail? Let's leave room for expressions, figures of speech, hyperbole (within reason), injections of interesting historical factoids, etc. Not everything someone says is perfectly literal and not everything is a one-for-one response to something else that was said.

Conversations get bogged down, such as this one, which started out as a review of a restaurant in the Original Highlands. I understand asking someone to back up a claim that seems outrageous, but equating Robin's statement with the residents of Norton Commons being racists? Really? Leaps like that go too far and are seemingly made only for effect.

[Robin Garr]

Am I misguided?

I can't say for certain, but I suspect perhaps so. No time to discuss it in detail, I'm late for a theology final. Meanwhile, pay attention to Antonia. She's smarter than I am.

To each their own.
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Exactly, to each their own. That is why I consider it quite rude to be critical of where others choose to live, be it Crescent Hill, Norton Commons, Jeffersonville or even Depauw, Indiana. Robin is certainly entitled to express his low opinion of Norton Commons and suburbias in general ( hey, it is his site), but push back should not come as some great shock to anyone, and in fact, should be expected.

Does every comment have to be parsed out in minute detail?

I was just seeking Robin's clarification to what seemed to me a pretty ugly remark. I'm still not sure that's how he meant it.

Let's leave room for expressions, figures of speech, hyperbole (within reason), injections of interesting historical factoids, etc. Not everything someone says is perfectly literal and not everything is a one-for-one response to something else that was said.

Yes, let's do that. Can I also ask for that same courtesy?

Conversations get bogged down, such as this one, which started out as a review of a restaurant in the Original Highlands.

I'm not the first, second, or even third who drove this thread off topic.

I understand asking someone to back up a claim that seems outrageous, but equating Robin's statement with the residents of Norton Commons being racists? Really? Leaps like that go too far and are seemingly made only for effect.

Perhaps I worded my post poorly. But, I don't think I'm the one who brought up the topic of race. I did state it more explicitly. Is it better to leave accusations of racism politely implicit and understated? Perhaps with a wink?

Am I misguided?

I can't say for certain, but I suspect perhaps so. No time to discuss it in detail, I'm late for a theology final. Meanwhile, pay attention to Antonia. She's smarter than I am.

Good luck!

I'm going back to the sidelines for this thread, unless you choose to rejoin the discussion.

I know plenty of people for which the idea of living in a creaky old house is distasteful.

Oooooo-Ooooooo....pick me, pick me. I'm also not particularly fond of high(er) crime rates, schools that positively suck, parking on the street, every-other-house-on-the-block-is-a-rental, hit and miss pride in ownership and a few other sundry items that evade me right now...Otherwise urban living has a very strong appeal to me.

To each their own.
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Exactly, to each their own...but push back should not come as some great shock to anyone, and in fact, should be expected.

Bingo....Bill to the front row please.

Does every comment have to be parsed out in minute detail?