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Re: Chick-Fil-A lays it on the line: They don't like gay cou

by Dan Thomas » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:35 am

While I don't particulaly care for their same-sex marrage stance, in the long run, I feel it's unfortunate that a majority of people that patronize Chic-fil-A know about, or really care much about that sort of thing enough to make a significant dent in sales. I think they sprinkle crack on the sandwiches myself because they are ALWAYS busy when I ride by the location in J-town.
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by Ed Vermillion » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:54 am

William P wrote:I wonder if they would hire an openly gay person? With this mindset I don't believe I will be visiting Chick-Fil-A moving forward.

On a side note My wife and I will be moving back to Louisville, from Indy, in January after a five year absence. I read this forum multiple times a day and look forward to becoming an active contributor upon our return.


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by Roger A. Baylor » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:24 am

Matthew Crow wrote:I've never eaten at at this explicitly evangelical Christian chicken chain. Never will either.


I'm with you. Refuseniks unite.
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by Matthew D » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:20 pm

Annemarie M wrote:i could care less of what chick-fil-a beliefs are.
or any other major business. heck, i'm sure their are businesses out there who are against certain religions and races.
i go for the food and not what their beliefs are.


Just because you don't care doesn't mean your money isn't used to spread hate.
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Re: Chick-Fil-A lays it on the line: They don't like gay cou

by Robin Garr » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:20 pm

Annemarie M wrote:i could care less of what chick-fil-a beliefs are.
or any other major business. heck, i'm sure their are businesses out there who are against certain religions and races.
i go for the food and not what their beliefs are.

In other words, "F*** caring enough to try to make the world a better place?" :?
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Re: Chick-Fil-A lays it on the line: They don't like gay cou

by Dan E » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:55 pm

Robin, while I, personally, do not share the beliefs written in the Chik-Fil-A bible, aren't they doing exactly what you just said? In their own way, they are trying to make the world a better place by voicing a message that has nothing to do with their product and is undoubtedly going to alienate a significant portion of their potential target, but in which they strongly believe.

It occurs to me that some of our local business owners do the exact same thing. Personally, I am extremely put off when any restauranteurs, whether local or nationwide chicken-based evangelicals, mix politics into their food.

That said, at the same time, I hold a modicum of respect for those who feel strongly enough about their own views, however ridiculous I may find them, to voice them in spite of what it may do their respective businesses.
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Re: Chick-Fil-A lays it on the line: They don't like gay cou

by Steve H » Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:00 pm

Just like it's hate to oppose affirmative action? Just like it's hate to oppose abortion? Just like it's hate to support a flat tax? The left likes to throw around the word "hate". It's just a political stance to silence opposition to their preferred policies.

Folks should be allowed to disagree without being demonized in a pluralistic democracy. That's what America is, right? A pluralistic democracy?
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Re: Chick-Fil-A lays it on the line: They don't like gay cou

by Greg R. » Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:10 pm

Steve H wrote:Just like it's hate to oppose affirmative action? Just like it's hate to oppose abortion? Just like it's hate to support a flat tax? The left likes to throw around the word "hate". It's just a political stance to silence opposition to their preferred policies.



+1. I don't mind when people disagree with me, but it always bothers me when it's clear that the other person doesn't have a clue why they disagree with me. If I'm against something it's not because I hate someone...it's because I question whether the intended purpose will be served. "Hate" is a word typically thrown around by someone who refuses to acknowledge that not all well-intentioned legislation/policy is in the best interest of those that it supposedly champions and/or society as a whole.

When it comes to mixing food with politics...I don't do it. Should I really stop eating at Roger Baylor's place because I fear he may be contributing my spent money to causes I don't believe in? Or no longer eat a place whose owner goes to a church I have an issue with? Wouldn't that make me a hater? And why is this okay if it's a Christian fundamentalist, but not if it's a Muslim? Wouldn't a Christian's view on gay marriage amongst other things seem liberal in comparison? Do those of you that boycott Chic Filet also boycott Muslim establishments? I am genuinely curious.

Anyway, life is too short. I patronize Roger's place based on what I have in common with him - the love of good beer and who knows what else (never spoken to him). Are politics (politics!!!) really so important to you that you are willing to overlook everything else someone brings to the table (so to speak) just because you disagree with them on what taxes the top 1% should pay? I mean, really...pass the bar nuts...
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Re: Chick-Fil-A lays it on the line: They don't like gay cou

by Robin Garr » Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:16 pm

Steve H wrote:Just like it's hate to oppose affirmative action? Just like it's hate to oppose abortion? Just like it's hate to support a flat tax? The left likes to throw around the word "hate". It's just a political stance to silence opposition to their preferred policies.

It's not a zero-sum game, Steve. I think most of us can agree that slavery, terrorism, racial discrimination and other clear-cut issues are wrongs that should not be tolerated in a just society. I think most of us can agree that programs like Dare To Care or efforts that raise money for the cure of dread diseases are social goods.

I do agree that a lot of issues fall in the middle and have partisans on both sides. But in some of those cases it's possible to point to real harm being done by one side that isn't balanced from the other. I'd submit, in 2111, that gay-bashing vs tolerance falls into that category.

In 1955 it took bravery to call out businesses that denied service to blacks. Would you join Rand Paul in asserting that this decision should have been left to businesses to decide and should never have been enshrined in law? Most of us would not.

In my mind, in 2011 gay marriage falls into the same category. If not as widespread or fraught with lynchings, killings and bombings, people's lives and loves are being damaged by businesses like Chick-Fil-A that consider it appropriate to discriminate.

I've never called for silencing Chick-Fil-A. They do have a right to say whatever they wish - there's no civil rights act for gay marriage. But I also reserve the right to speak out - and to join a chorus - in criticism of their approach. And I reserve the right to choose not to dine there, and to encourage others of similar mind to make the same choice.

Do you object to any of that? Have you seen me call for anything more?
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by Matthew D » Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:43 pm

Steve H wrote:Just like it's hate to oppose affirmative action? Just like it's hate to oppose abortion? Just like it's hate to support a flat tax? The left likes to throw around the word "hate". It's just a political stance to silence opposition to their preferred policies.

Folks should be allowed to disagree without being demonized in a pluralistic democracy. That's what America is, right? A pluralistic democracy?



I'm not against a pluralistic democracy. I'm against hate.
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Re: Chick-Fil-A lays it on the line: They don't like gay cou

by Mark Gilley » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:21 pm

what is chik fil a's stance on gay chickens? do they refuse to serve them as well?
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by Mark Gilley » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:30 pm

Steve H wrote:Just like it's hate to oppose affirmative action? Just like it's hate to oppose abortion? Just like it's hate to support a flat tax? The left likes to throw around the word "hate". It's just a political stance to silence opposition to their preferred policies.

Folks should be allowed to disagree without being demonized in a pluralistic democracy. That's what America is, right? A pluralistic democracy?


comparing debate of a flat tax to discrimination against gays is quite disgusting imo. you speak of being demonized, but no one is calling you a godless sinner and saying you will burn in hell for your beliefs or way of life. as much as right wing america want's to disagree, being gay is not a choice nor is it a political affiliation.

there have always been gay people, get over it.
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by Dan Thomas » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:34 pm

Mark Gilley wrote:what is chik fil a's stance on gay chickens? do they refuse to serve them as well?

:o :x :lol: :( I spit up on the monitor when :lol: I read this! :lol:
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by JustinHammond » Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:02 pm

Dan Thomas wrote:
Mark Gilley wrote:what is chik fil a's stance on gay chickens? do they refuse to serve them as well?

:o :x :lol: :( I spit up on the monitor when :lol: I read this! :lol:


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Re: Chick-Fil-A lays it on the line: They don't like gay cou

by Art T » Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:16 am

Annemarie M wrote:i could care less of what chick-fil-a beliefs are.
or any other major business. heck, i'm sure their are businesses out there who are against certain religions and races.
i go for the food and not what their beliefs are.



This.

If I cared enough what anyone thought I would avoid the business. Like I avoid U2 albums because of Bono's smugness and NABC because of their postings.
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