New Restaurant! New Restaurant! On Fourth Street Live

Forth Street hasn't been drivable as a through street since the early 1970s. In fact I think you can drive on more of it now than in years past. Remember the "River City Mall"? The old clock is sitting out at Bowman Field rotting away.

Dress code? Since I don't go there - I don't really care one way or the other.

I view 4SL as the conventioneer/yuppie center of the city, not a locals or tourist destination. The conventioneers are a pretty captive audience, being stuck to a schedule and probably staying at a nearby hotel. The tourists are able to explore our city on their schedules and I betting not here because of 4SL. Our draw is great food, bourbon, museums, horses, ect, which are not at 4SL. There is nothing “Louisville” about 4SL; it is trying to be New York, L.A., and/or Miami.

Was it needed to help bring in the conventions? Probably so, but so are strip bars according to some groups. With the revitalization that has occurred around the Yum Center and East Market, I don’t how much 4SL is still needed as it is. There is no reason it couldn’t have been a place that both locals and out-of-towners enjoy, and it can still be made that type of place. I think the places are closing because they have no appeal to the locals, and are probably not profitable when the conventions are not in town.

Has anyone found out what the new restaurant is going to be?

Dress code? Since I don't go there - I don't really care one way or the other.

They haven't enforced a dress code for a few years.

Dress code? Since I don't go there - I don't really care one way or the other.

They haven't enforced a dress code for a few years.

They still arbitrarily enforce it when they close off the street for concerts.

Dess code? If they are going to enforce a bare midriff dress code, then I will never go there again.! My stomach has never been exposed to the sun, we are talking white here. Add to that the middle age spread, and I do assure you, you don't want to see this midriff bared It is best that the only person who sees it is my husband who loves it.

Dress code? Since I don't go there - I don't really care one way or the other.

They haven't enforced a dress code for a few years.

They still arbitrarily enforce it when they close off the street for concerts.

Dress code? Since I don't go there - I don't really care one way or the other.

They haven't enforced a dress code for a few years.

They still arbitrarily enforce it when they close off the street for concerts.

Yes, it's still enforced, though perhaps arbitrarily. My brother-in-law (a clean cut physician) was denied entrance in September for wearing a T-shirt without any sort of logo on it.

Yes, it's still enforced, though perhaps arbitrarily. My brother-in-law (a clean cut physician) was denied entrance in September for wearing a T-shirt without any sort of logo on it.

Which bar/restaurant or 4SL as a whole? I'm usually in a t-shirt, jeans, and tennis shoes when I get dragged to 4SL and I've not had any problems since Red Cheetah closed.

Honestly, my biggest gripe with Fourth Street Live is simply the shutting down of a city street and enforcing their stupid dress code on it. For the businesses within it fine whatever, but on the street? C'mon.

And even worse on a policy level, turning over law enforcement on a public street to private security. That, folks, is a scary precedent.

Can you say, "Disneyland?"

Honestly, my biggest gripe with Fourth Street Live is simply the shutting down of a city street and enforcing their stupid dress code on it. For the businesses within it fine whatever, but on the street? C'mon.

And even worse on a policy level, turning over law enforcement on a public street to private security. That, folks, is a scary precedent.

In this particular case I would respectfully disagree.

If a sworn police officer witnesses an infraction (note I did not use the word "crime")...lets say they observe someone puking in the alley...They are bound by law and the wrath of the Super Bad-Ass-Drunk-Mothers of America (or was that Mad Mothers ???...who cares) to spring into action. i.e. IN goes the headlock, on go the cuffs and off we go on a free ride downtown. A private security guard on the other hand has the leeway determine the appropriate level of response. OBVIOUSLY if we are talking a serious offense or the possibility of bodily injury, we call John Law (who is conveniently parked down the block) but in an instance like that outlined above, we simply find this individual a cab and throw them in the back seat face first...Whereas said individual wakes up with a hangover and a wallet about $100 bucks lighter for the cab ride home as opposed to a big ticket night in jail.

[Robin Garr]

In this particular case I would respectfully disagree.

If a sworn police officer witnesses an infraction

I'm pretty sure most (all?) of the rent-a-cops at 4SL and other security jobs around town are in fact sworn police - metro or, frequently, small-city - moonlighting by working for the man.

Remember the "River City Mall"? The old clock is sitting out at Bowman Field rotting away.

Actually has been rebuilt (almost completed) and it will soon be installed at Theater Square.
Louisville Derby Clock

Dress code? I wish they would make those conventioneers take off those silly lanyards before they walk around downtown. Meetings adjourned fellas!

In this particular case I would respectfully disagree.

If a sworn police officer witnesses an infraction

I'm pretty sure most (all?) of the rent-a-cops at 4SL and other security jobs around town are in fact sworn police - metro or, frequently, small-city - moonlighting by working for the man.

Amend to read: If an on duty sworn police officer witnesses an infraction.

Good point though. Just out of curiosity the next time I'm prowling down at New Direction for a late-night Burger on a Friday night I'll ask the door-cop what the SOP is for 4SL.

[Robin Garr]

Amend to read: If an on duty sworn police officer witnesses an infraction.

I'm not sure they get that slack when they're moonlighting in uniform.

Anyway, we're kind of off my point. I just get antsy about the idea of the police power of the state being for sale or rent to public enterprise, period. The possibility of a drunk getting a pass doesn't really make it better.

Anyway, we're kind of off my point. I just get antsy about the idea of the police power of the state being for sale or rent to public enterprise, period.

Come on, it's not like that every causes any problems. Look at what a great job Blackwater has done in Iraq!