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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Brad Keeton » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:52 pm

Bill P wrote:Does anyone know if other midwestern-ish cities similar to Louisville have a thriving street food industry? Indy? Columbus? Pittsburgh? Nashville? StL? Cinti.? Cleve?
If so, what did these cities do to make it a success and are there lesson for us to learn?
Just curious.
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No clue about Indy, Pitt, or Cleveland.

In my infrequent visits to Nashville, I've never noticed it, but I can't say I get to or around Nashville much.

Columbus and Cincy, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Cincy has a pretty thriving downtown, but I've not seen street food. Except for the hockey arena and surrounding area, Columbus' downtown is pretty dead. I've not seen street food in the more pedestrian Germantown area.

I lived in St. Louis for a few years relatively recently and visit quite often. With the exception of a few hot dog carts outside the bars in the U-City/Loop area, the answer is most likely no.

So, probably, a general no for these midwestern-ish cities.
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Steve P » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:06 pm

Bill P wrote:Does anyone know if other midwestern-ish cities similar to Louisville have a thriving street food industry? Indy? Columbus? Pittsburgh? Nashville? StL? Cinti.? Cleve?
If so, what did these cities do to make it a success and are there lesson for us to learn?
Just curious.
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The mayor of Cleveland made a big push a couple of years back to jump start the Cleveland street food scene. If our recent trips there are any indication, the effort has yet to bear fruit.

http://www.cleveland.com/arts/index.ssf ... _fran.html
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Dan Thomas » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:13 pm

I think food trucks could definitely work here in Louisville. But the key factor for success is to make a few exceptional items you can't get anywhere else and make it cheaply. If you don't do that then you have to figure out how to make something faster, better and cheaper. Heck, I can get a cheap and fairly decent taco, burger, gyro, Chinese/American or BBQ pretty much anywhere around town. The whole key to a thriving street food scene is exciting, quality food at a very low price point. The Kogi Trucks in LA are a great example of that.
http://kogibbq.com/category/menu/
I also don't subscribe to the fact that because we aren't a pedestrian friendly city that street food success can't happen here. I use Kogi as an example again. They have four trucks and they are a pioneer of using social media to announce the locations of the trucks each day. They have a very loyal following and the lines at the trucks start forming as soon as they pull up. Sometimes before they even get there. And everyone knows that "No One Walks in L.A." :lol: :lol: :lol:
If you have something that is good, different and cheap, people will go out of their way to find you.. 8)
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Will Crawford » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:34 pm

Dan Thomas wrote:I think food trucks could definitely work here in Louisville. But the key factor for success is to make a few exceptional items you can't get anywhere else and make it cheaply. If you don't do that then you have to figure out how to make something faster, better and cheaper. Heck, I can get a cheap and fairly decent taco, burger, gyro, Chinese/American or BBQ pretty much anywhere around town. The whole key to a thriving street food scene is exciting, quality food at a very low price point. The Kogi Trucks in LA are a great example of that.
http://kogibbq.com/category/menu/
I also don't subscribe to the fact that because we aren't a pedestrian friendly city that street food success can't happen here. I use Kogi as an example again. They have four trucks and they are a pioneer of using social media to announce the locations of the trucks each day. They have a very loyal following and the lines at the trucks start forming as soon as they pull up. Sometimes before they even get there. And everyone knows that "No One Walks in L.A." :lol: :lol: :lol:
If you have something that is good, different and cheap, people will go out of their way to find you.. 8)


LA proper has 3.83 million people in it. 17.8 million in its metro area of Long Beach, Riverside

Louisville proper has something like 700,000 and 1.2 in it s metro area.

That is a big difference.
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Robin Garr » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:43 pm

Will Crawford wrote:LA proper has 3.83 million people in it. 17.8 million in its metro area of Long Beach, Riverside

Louisville proper has something like 700,000 and 1.2 in it s metro area.

That is a big difference.

I think Marsha nailed it with her original comparison: Portland (Oregon, not Maine) is about as good a match as any. It's not perfect, but it's good. Similar size city (582,130 city, 2.2 million MSA); has a river in it. Lots of trees, lots of parks. Funky neighborhoods. Lots of foodies and a thriving "weird" indie business scene. Lots of clouds, lots of rain, but they have it consecutively in the winter and spring, while we spread ours around the year. A lot of cars, but probably a much more active bike culture than us, primarily because it doesn't usually get as cold there.

And whoop, there ii is: I think weather is probably the critical component that hurts us; eating outdoors is only fun for part of the year, especially since we're not that good about walking around or biking around anyway. Street food in Louisville may have to be seasonal..
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

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Robin Garr wrote:
Will Crawford wrote:LA proper has 3.83 million people in it. 17.8 million in its metro area of Long Beach, Riverside

Louisville proper has something like 700,000 and 1.2 in it s metro area.

That is a big difference.

I think Marsha nailed it with her original comparison: Portland (Oregon, not Maine) is about as good a match as any. It's not perfect, but it's good. Similar size city (582,130 city, 2.2 million MSA); has a river in it. Lots of trees, lots of parks. Funky neighborhoods. Lots of foodies and a thriving "weird" indie business scene. Lots of clouds, lots of rain, but they have it consecutively in the winter and spring, while we spread ours around the year. A lot of cars, but probably a much more active bike culture than us, primarily because it doesn't usually get as cold there.

And whoop, there ii is: I think weather is probably the critical component that hurts us; eating outdoors is only fun for part of the year, especially since we're not that good about walking around or biking around anyway. Street food in Louisville may have to be seasonal..
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Good point on the seasonal. I guess a person could pack up and head to Florida for the winter since it is mobile.
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Ray Griffith » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:47 pm

Dan Thomas wrote:I think food trucks could definitely work here in Louisville. But the key factor for success is to make a few exceptional items you can't get anywhere else and make it cheaply. If you don't do that then you have to figure out how to make something faster, better and cheaper. Heck, I can get a cheap and fairly decent taco, burger, gyro, Chinese/American or BBQ pretty much anywhere around town. The whole key to a thriving street food scene is exciting, quality food at a very low price point. The Kogi Trucks in LA are a great example of that.
http://kogibbq.com/category/menu/
I also don't subscribe to the fact that because we aren't a pedestrian friendly city that street food success can't happen here. I use Kogi as an example again. They have four trucks and they are a pioneer of using social media to announce the locations of the trucks each day. They have a very loyal following and the lines at the trucks start forming as soon as they pull up. Sometimes before they even get there. And everyone knows that "No One Walks in L.A." :lol: :lol: :lol:
If you have something that is good, different and cheap, people will go out of their way to find you.. 8)


As for driving to street food, I think that Las Gordita's, et al. fills that bill for Lousiville. Perhaps that is proportional to your Kogi example. When it comes down to brass tacks, what makes a successful and thriving street food scene is a pedestrian friendly culture....my 2 cents.
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Ray Griffith » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:52 pm

Robin Garr wrote:I think Marsha nailed it with her original comparison: Portland (Oregon, not Maine) is about as good a match as any. It's not perfect, but it's good. Similar size city (582,130 city, 2.2 million MSA); has a river in it. Lots of trees, lots of parks. Funky neighborhoods. Lots of foodies and a thriving "weird" indie business scene. Lots of clouds, lots of rain, but they have it consecutively in the winter and spring, while we spread ours around the year. A lot of cars, but probably a much more active bike culture than us, primarily because it doesn't usually get as cold there.

And whoop, there ii is: I think weather is probably the critical component that hurts us; eating outdoors is only fun for part of the year, especially since we're not that good about walking around or biking around anyway. Street food in Louisville may have to be seasonal..
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Yes, we have lots in common with Portland....except that Portland is leaps and bounds more pedestrian friendly. If we could ever get light rail similar to Portland's, that might at least set us in the right direction.



(Since I have repeated it ad nauseum, I pledge to not use the term "pedestrian friendly" on this forum for at least 6 months :) )
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Scott Hack » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:34 pm

I'm curious what the appeal to street food is for the consumer. Is there something that isn't being served that can only be served from a truck? There is a glut of available retail spaces available for rent.
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Marsha L. » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:36 pm

Scott Hack wrote:I'm curious what the appeal to street food is for the consumer.


From the column:

It’s fast, it’s cheap, it’s convenient. Done properly, it’s tasty and wholesome. Due to space constraints, it’s often highly specialized, allowing the vendor to concentrate on a handful of dishes executed repeatedly, and therefore to near-perfection every time.
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Ken B » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:47 am

Okay, I'm not new to the forum, but have mostly lurked here (and then also kind of looked for jobs). Not sure why I feel compelled to chime in on this topic, but here goes. Hope I don't insult anyone, if any of this comes off as pejorative, my apologies in advance.

So . . . I think the first question here should be, is there something intrinsically appealing about "street food" versus just "food". Now, though I've eaten in Michelin starred restaurants, some of my most vivid and favorite food memories are: walking down the street in Brooklyn with a paper plate in one hand, a folded slice in the other, orange grease dripping down my arm and chin; regularly partaking of Beefs so juicy with natural gravy from Johnnie's in Elmwood Park that you'd need a mop next to you if you ate it indoors; late night Polish on Maxwell St. or better yet tacos de cabeza from any of a handful of vendors on the new Maxwell St.; the soon to be legendary Jibarito (if you don't know, ask me) of the Chicago Boricua; and one particularly transcendent moment in Florence, enjoying sausage-stuffed deep-fried jumbo olives. Plus I've hit more than my share of taco trucks and various roach coaches over the years, including plenty of dirty water dogs, which I will eat again, stories of homeless dudes just tryin' to earn a buck notwithstanding. But I have two points here: first, yeah I do like street food, and second, all of the street food I mentioned above actually came from (more or less) bricks and mortar establishments, not some truck.

Yeah, Portland (and much of CA) has a great street food scene. Some savvy food writers covered it. Then some savvy producers at the Food Network jumped on that wagon, and now foodies all across America want trucks delivering burgers with funky toppings or new wave tacos. But street food in all kinds of incarnations existed long before trucks topped the list of food trends in 2010 (see that thread elsewhere on the forum), including here in Louisville. Didn't the Mayan Cafe start out as a truck? Coversely, when comparing cities of similar size, look at New Orleans. No (or few) trucks down there, but a vibrant food scene at all levels.

Are our health code restrictions that different than other cities that they are the primary barrier to this kind of thing blossoming here? I think others have nailed the geography/demographics/population issues. If there is a hole in the food scene here, it will get filled. There are too many smart, entrepreneurial folks, and too many food knowledgeable hungry mouths for it not to happen. For my money though, I'd be happier if something else off that list took hold, maybe Banh Mi shops, and why not, there's a solid Vietnamese base here. Heck, it may exist and I just haven't found it yet.

I'm not trying to accuse Marsha or anyone else of trend hopping, and fairly, for any scene: food, music, art, whatever to grow, it needs to show awareness of things that are cool that are happening in other places. But in my experience (with food, music and art) the most interesting and remarkable things are created not by folks aping larger trends, but finding interesting (and often native) avenues to exploit and explore.

In response to one other question in this thread, one Midwestern town I know of that has equal (or greater) climate challenges to Louisville, but a thriving street food scene is Madison, Wisconsin. In addition to the largest & oldest farmer's market in the US (um, farmers driving into town and selling food on the street = street food to me) the capitol square in the downtown is ringed with kiosks (not trucks) of all varieties that exist solely to serve the lunch crowd there. They're not all fancy and new wave, but most of them are quite good, and lots of different ethnicities and cuisines are represented.
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Steve A » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:36 am

Ken B wrote:I'm not trying to accuse Marsha or anyone else of trend hopping, and fairly, for any scene: food, music, art, whatever to grow, it needs to show awareness of things that are cool that are happening in other places. But in my experience (with food, music and art) the most interesting and remarkable things are created not by folks aping larger trends, but finding interesting (and often native) avenues to exploit and explore.

This is a great observation.

It might be worthwhile to recognize what remarkable things Louisville has to offer (food-wise, for this discussion). .

That, and the mention of Florence makes me wish we spent more than one day there.
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Re: Industry Standard: food industry wish for '11: Street fo

by Steve P » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:30 am

Ken B wrote:Okay, I'm not new to the forum, but have mostly lurked here (and then also kind of looked for jobs). Not sure why I feel compelled to chime in on this topic, but here goes. Hope I don't insult anyone, if any of this comes off as pejorative, my apologies in advance.



Real nice post Ken. Welcome to the forum.
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by John Hagan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:22 am

Ken B wrote:I'd be happier if something else off that list took hold, maybe Banh Mi shops, and why not, there's a solid Vietnamese base here. Heck, it may exist and I just haven't found it yet.
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There are a few places around,my favorite being Pho Binh Mi on Strawberry Lane.
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by Dan Thomas » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:28 am

John Hagan wrote:
Ken B wrote:I'd be happier if something else off that list took hold, maybe Banh Mi shops, and why not, there's a solid Vietnamese base here. Heck, it may exist and I just haven't found it yet.
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There are a few places around,my favorite being Pho Binh Mi on Strawberry Lane.
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