Domino's Pizza: The Bailout You Didn't Hear About

Tobacco grants = B.S.

How so?

Cheese ... is Nacho Friend !

Tobacco grants = B.S.

How so?

Using tax payer money to help start or keep tobacco farms afloat is B.S.

I'm sure the farmer disagrees.

Tobacco grants = B.S.

How so?

Using tax payer money to help start or keep tobacco farms afloat is B.S.

I didnt know that was happening. Where have you heard of this going on? Not long ago they had "buy out" to help get farmers away from raising tobacco. They have a grant program now( of which Ill be applying for) that promotes Ag diversification in tobacco dependent farm communities. This program helps offset the cost of changing your farm and equipment over to produce something other than tobacco.

I didnt know that was happening. Where have you heard of this going on? Not long ago they had "buy out" to help get farmers away from raising tobacco. They have a grant program now( of which Ill be applying for) that promotes Ag diversification in tobacco dependent farm communities. This program helps offset the cost of changing your farm and equipment over to produce something other than tobacco.

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i'm not sure how the cheese grant is much different than the grants for corn or even worse, tobacco.

I should back up. I took Madeline's statement to mean tax payer money was going toward supporting tobacco, maybe I misunderstood or maybe she knows something you/I don't. If the money is going towards the conversion you are speaking of then I'm all for it.

I just figured the government is using tax money to help keep the tobacco farms going so they didn't lose all the tax revenue coming from tobacco sales.

Heres an interesting wiki read on tobacco subsidies.
http://wiki.dickinson.edu/index.php/Tob ... e_US_Fa_08

[Robin Garr]

I'm sure the farmer disagrees.

The drug cartels aren't really down with controlled-substances laws, either, and the Mob lobbies against restrictions on prostitution and loan sharking. Your point?

My point was pretty clear. I don't really know how else to explain it. Why the need to try and turn this into Meet The Press?

[Robin Garr]

My point was pretty clear. I don't really know how else to explain it. Why the need to try and turn this into Meet The Press?

I don't get the reference. Nobody's picking on anybody here. I also appreciate John H's point about programs that provide incentives for tobacco farmers to diversify into other value-added products. We're getting a lot of Kentucky wineries that way.

I think the thrust of the thread hijack mostly has to do with a reasonable disdain for specific government agricultural subsidies that incentivize the tobacco industry.

I think the thrust of the thread hijack mostly has to do with a reasonable disdain for specific government agricultural subsidies that incentivize the tobacco industry.

I agree with you overall, but one of my points was to show that are not any tobacco industry subsidies anymore, so even having a "reasonable disdain" is not warranted.

There are all kinds of neat little (tax) scams out there if you look...good or bad...depending on one's perspective. The best one I ever saw was my buddies "tree farm". He owned 240 acres in northern MN (which because of the location happened to lock up another couple of thousand acres of state owned land...but that's another story). Basically it was just an old farm that had been worked out years ago that he (we) now used solely for recreation (deer and bear hunting primarily)...So what he does is to declare it a "tree farm". The result being that the State of MN provides seedling for the "tree farm" and for the next 20+ years he writes off all his "farm expenses"...four wheelers, guns (for controlling "predators"), the cost of building our hunting cabin, mileage to and from the "farm", etc, etc. It was a beautiful thing...We had literally several square miles of land all to ourselves to play on...and the state and Federal guv'ment paid him thousands and thousands of dollars a year to let us do it... Because he had a "river" (creek actually) running through the property he even managed to write off his 18 foot Walleye fishing rig. (Beaver control don't ya know)

I've also got a bunch of friends who do the CRP (Conservation Reserve Program) thing in MN and out in the Dakota's...basically it's the same deal as above but they get paid not to plant a damn thing and the Federal Guv'ment picks up the tab. Just another few thousand acres for us to kill animals on...

Q: How does a farmer double his income?


A; Puts up another mailbox!

Initially I was not inclined to look favorably upon these tobacco buyouts, but I have subsequently learned the $10-$15 Billion cost is funded by other sectors of the tobacco industry. Maybe not such a bad thing, but it may be interesting to see how this program fares when the "smaller gubmint" crowd arrives in Washington.

Q: How does a farmer double his income?


A; Puts up another mailbox!.

Wow, I wish it was that easy. In the ten years we have in business we have never qualified for grant of any kind. We are hoping this Ag diversification grant comes through. We have invested a small sum into hydroponic production in the greenhouse and think we might now qualify.

[Robin Garr]

I agree with you overall, but one of my points was to show that are not any tobacco industry subsidies anymore, so even having a "reasonable disdain" is not warranted.

So, basically, you got my knee to jerkin'. Sorry!

I do love it that all us old hippies who are so glad to see an end to tobacco subsidies have no problem whatsoever with wine as an alternative agricultural product. (To spare further thread hijack, wine is beneficial when used in moderation. There is no moderate level of consumption for tobacco that doctors would call safe, as far as I know.)