wendy's to roll out artisan breakfast here november -lou

Now, I don't get offended easily, but at the same time, I certainly don't want to associate myself with the opinion that chain restaurants are the equivalent of Nazi Germany, and can certainly see why someone else (especially a Holocaust survivor) might take offense.

.I really don't think that is what Roger was saying. Goebbel's theory can be simplified to the statement, "repeat a lie thousand times, it becomes a truth, which is what chains often do. With the constant barrage of advertising telling us Wendy's is producing an artisan product, the truth gets blurry very fast. How long will it be before someone is asking, "did you try the new artisan breakfast at Wendy’s?”, when in reality there is nothing artisan about it.

I understand the comparison of advertising to propaganda, and there is certainly some validity there. Some might say the are born of the same concept. I am an advertising major, so I certainly don't think of it as inherently evil, but I understand the viewpoint

All I'm saying is I don't think that Goebbels and chain restaurants should invoke the same degree of disdain in someone, and while, yes, they are both manipulative, I don't find the degree of misanthropy to be the same.

Goebbels may not have invented, but he certainly refined, the Big Lie, which was to repeat a point so often by means of saturation print, radio and public rally speeches that the point would be believed, whether true or not. He predated television by dying in Berlin as the Soviets put the hammer down in 1945. It is my contention that television advertisers afterward mimicked Goebbels, whether consciously -- or consciously.

Just for the record, advertising can manipulate those who are open to manipulation.
I for one tune out most of the ads I hear on the radio if any, I do not read the local paper, and NY times, and Wall street Journal usually doesn't advertise Wendy's products.

This is actually the first time I heard about Wendy's having any kind of breakfast at all.

Also, If not for the chains, there would be a HELL of a lot of people out of work in this country.

Also, If not for the chains, there would be a HELL of a lot of people out of work in this country.

Not sure I agree. There'd be local growth to replace them. Chains are not necessary.

Fast food chains also don't pay most of their workers a living wage, nor do they provide benefits. If the best employment our country has to offer is working at Wendy's, I think I'd rather be unemployed, thank you.

Any form of employment is conducive to a healthy lifestyle, it's not always about the money.
The chain restaurants can offer people the opportunity to become a mainstream member of society, and create structure and balance in their lives.

Extremism is any form is a lethal and dangerous behavior.

Extremism is any form is a lethal and dangerous behavior.

Damn right !!!

Also, If not for the chains, there would be a HELL of a lot of people out of work in this country.

Not sure I agree. There'd be local growth to replace them. Chains are not necessary.

Chains might not be necessary (although THAT is debatable)...but they are a reality and reality ain't changing anytime soon.

j chains do have a place in our society...

Annemarie,

Not trying to put words in his mouth but Roger...bless his heart...seems to subscribe to the theory that if "chains" were to magically disappear that somewhere in this world there are millions of little "workers" who are anxious to rise up and assume the cost and liabilities of opening all these wonderful little mom and pop restaurants,hardware stores, clothing stores, etc. Three words: It ain't happenin'. If for no other reason/s than (A) People don't have the money and (B) In this litigious society many of those that DO have the money don't have inclination.

Fast food chains also don't pay most of their workers a living wage, nor do they provide benefits. If the best employment our country has to offer is working at Wendy's, I think I'd rather be unemployed, thank you.

Are there any independent stores offering wages and benefits? I'm not sure what the definition of benefits is in this section. But I do know certain Fast Food chains offer different benefits not even offered by independent stores. I'd rather be employed with less money and more benefits than nothing at all than having the risk of something happen in the future; it would not matter the amount of money they were paying me at the job.

In this litigious society

Oh sure, blame it on the lawyers.

Someone turned a Wendys thread into a real discussion

First, speaking as a victim of the "Chains", the little guy can rise up and break the chains that bind us.

Steve P, Heather Y, and Annemarrie seem to have very little faith in the abilities and passion of their fellow man/woman.

Yes, if all the chains suddenly went out of business, millions of creative and passionate individuals would rise up from the heaps of the unemployed to open small independent businesses to meet the desires of millions of people.
Yes, these independents would hire those that lacked the desire/ability to open/run their own businesses.
For Steve's two reasons - (A) it doesn't take an incredibly large sum of money to open a small business and (B) Sorry, I don't agree & question the validity of this comment.
"In this litigious society many of those that DO have the money don't have inclination." (Steve P)

Kyle, some independents do offer benefits/insurance to their employees (or group plans at a discounted rate), and although some fast food chains do offer benefits to their employees they vary in the way most other plans do (available to employees that work more than "X" hours, management/supervisors only, etc). However, I admit, there are a few chains that offer exceptional benefit/health plans.

I think some of you have already fallen victim to the Big Lie, that we can't survive without McDonald's and the absolute familiarity of mediocre Americana. That we can't as individuals solve problems and achieve solutions.

Think, I'll go have lunch at a local, who had the inclination and somehow managed to find the money to open in the last year

In this litigious society

Oh sure, blame it on the lawyers.

If it walks like a duck....

Steve P, Heather Y, and Annemarrie seem to have very little faith in the abilities and passion of their fellow man/woman.

It really has nothing to do with faith...or even Faith. Rather it has everything to do with reality. You can wish and hope and stomp your feet all you want that we can someday live in a world free from the binds of "chains" and it's nothing more than pissin' in the wind. That's not to say I don't admire your passion, I do..

Think, I'll go have lunch at a local, who had the inclination and somehow managed to find the money to open in the last year

Joes Davola's huh ?

I have been in the position of indie ownership, no return on the investment, and no money to offer benefits to the employees. I was essentially a community service provider. The wages, and tips gave the staff the ability to make money to pay their rent, pay tuition to go to school, and party their asses off.

Meanwhile, I saw nothing. I could have kept sinking money into the establishment but that makes no business sense.

I have not fallen victim to anything, and you are seriously mislead.