Tilted Kilt Pub - From the CJ

[Robin Garr]

You see more skin on the beach and pretty sure sexism can go both ways given the right circumstances.

I'm not taking sides on the Tilted Kilt/Hooters thing but as for sexism, here's where the hard facts come home:

The workplace pay gap between men and women, once thought to be narrowing, has only been getting worse, according to an analysis of recently released census data conducted by the Institute for Women’s Policy Research.

Women make only 75.5 cents for every dollar that men earn, according to a new release by the U.S. Census Bureau.

The workplace pay gap between men and women, once thought to be narrowing, has only been getting worse, according to an analysis of recently released census data conducted by the Institute for Women’s Policy Research.

Women make only 75.5 cents for every dollar that men earn, according to a new release by the U.S. Census Bureau.

That is where my problem is. Women making less, when all other things are equal, is sexism. Being served food and beer by semi-dressed or even nude women doesn't make me a sexist or mean that I am promoting sexism. I just don't get the sexist comments.

You see more skin on the beach and pretty sure sexism can go both ways given the right circumstances.

I'm not taking sides on the Tilted Kilt/Hooters thing but as for sexism, here's where the hard facts come home:

The workplace pay gap between men and women, once thought to be narrowing, has only been getting worse, according to an analysis of recently released census data conducted by the Institute for Women’s Policy Research.

Women make only 75.5 cents for every dollar that men earn, according to a new release by the U.S. Census Bureau.

Wow, that kinda throws me, becuase I thought I read somewhere that, with regards to college graduation rates, women are outpacing men.

If that tells me what I think it does, then my faith in humanity just took a serious blow.

Nonetheless, I think it is important for young men to learn a proper socialization and respect for the fairer sex. I'm not saying 'hold the boy's bahmitzvah here,' but I do think a young boy should learn to blush, hold the door and revere a lady. And that a gentleman, in the company of such, shouldn't be creepy, repress or otherwise diminish the feelings that this young man may have... confusing as they may be.

I went Disney 'Lady and Tramp.' Not Benny Hill. And every gentleman at the table knew it.

I have to agree with Justin, skimpy outfits doesn't equate to sexism.

As for those numbers, I'd believe that to be correct only because in this economy a lot of women just entering the work force are having to take anything they can. I know, I have three degrees and no job, I've only had 4 interviews in the last year. The few temp things I've worked are still paying around $9/hour less than what I was making before we moved here, not counting my nice bonuses. I'm constantly running into other women that are out of work, just getting out of school and have no work, or are mom's working part time or temp things because daycare costs too much or they just miss out on too much of their child's life. I'm sure all those women making nothing or very little aren't helping the numbers. It's also becoming more common for the wife to stay home or work part time while the husband is pulling a full time salary in.

Nonetheless, I think it is important for young men to learn a proper socialization and respect for the fairer sex. but I do think a young boy should learn to blush, hold the door and revere a lady.

Revere, I like that. I think that is when the disconnect is happening. If a man appreciates, ogles, or worships the female body we are viewed as pigs or "sexist".

[Robin Garr]

Revere, I like that. I think that is when the disconnect is happening. If a man appreciates, ogles, or worships the female body we are viewed as pigs or "sexist".

Hey, guys, we can't really fight 500,000 years of evolution.

That said, it's a tough call, and I said I wasn't going to go there. What would really interest me, though, would probably be impossible to get: A candid appraisal about how the women of Tilted Kilt (or Hooters) really feel about working there - would the prefer a job that wasn't so dependent on their assets, even if the pay were similar, if they had a choice? How do they feel about the occasional table full of hormonally addled "gentlemen"? Do they take it in good humor or go away feeling dirty? I'd also be interested in hearing from some women who didn't get the job because they weren't deemed quite attractive enough. Lots of questions. I don't have the answers. But I do think it's useful to see the word through the other person's eyes now and then before making a judgement on either side.

A candid appraisal about how the women of Tilted Kilt (or Hooters) really feel about working there? How do they feel about the occasional table full of hormonally addled "gentlemen"? Do they take it in good humor or go away feeling dirty?

Had a waitress there last night that sat and chatted with us for a while because she didn't have any occupied tables in her section, and we asked her those exact questions. She thought the old 'pervs' were funny, but some of them were kinda creepy and sometimes they kinda crossed the line with 'offers' and being touchy. As far as the outfits go, she mentioned that she was applying at the Brick House Tavern because she wanted to work in a place where she could wear more clothes. Didn't dislike working at the Kilt, but wanted a little more in the way of coverage (and the Brick House was closer to home for her).

I'm starting to detect a definite anti-senior citizen tone to this forum and it is becoming tiresome. Every time anyone mentions people over 55, descriptors such as pervs, loud slobbering drunks and lousy tippers can't be far behind. Ageists.
TPFIC.

A candid appraisal about how the women of Tilted Kilt (or Hooters) really feel about working there? How do they feel about the occasional table full of hormonally addled "gentlemen"? Do they take it in good humor or go away feeling dirty?

She thought the old 'pervs' were funny, but some of them were kinda creepy and sometimes they kinda crossed the line with 'offers' and being touchy.

Haven't been to the "Kilt" and don't really have plans to go...But speaking as someone "north" of 50 it has been my observation that most of the "pervs" I've seen hitting on the hired help in drinking establishments have been overwhelmingly of <eh-hem> generations much younger than mine...My "gut instinct" tells me that if this woman were to be completely honest the number "old" pervs "crossing the line" would pale in comparison to the number of younger ones...she likely just takes less offense to someone closer to her own age grabbing a little something extra. So lets not pick on the old guys, shall we.

Wow! I took the new dog to the vet (rescue sweetness she is- heartworm positive, bah!) and came back and boy do I ever find this interesting on a number of different levels.

I think it is a testament to the strength of our community that we can engage in such a societal debate and enjoy each other's point of view. This is Socrates at his best!

I really have nothing else to add, just that I am quite proud of our diversity and willingness to share said viewpoints, here. I am learning quite a lot.

[Robin Garr]

I'm starting to detect a definite anti-senior citizen tone to this forum and it is becoming tiresome. Every time anyone mentions people over 55, descriptors such as pervs, loud slobbering drunks and lousy tippers can't be far behind. Ageists.
TPFIC.

Hey, ya old f@rt!

To clarify a bit....one of my best friend's daughter works at The Kilt and I have seen the uniforms, even though I have not been in the place yet. She told us that you must try on the uniform at the interview stage and that after opening several young women were culled out because they didn't fit the "look". I don't care if this was an establishment of scantily clad young men serving food and drink, I would still call it sexist. I am also confused as to how discrimination doesn't play into the hiring practices of these places??? I think the same for most of the establishments on 4th St Live. If a woman or a man wants to work in one of these type of establishments, it is most certainly their perogative. As it is also the perogative of women or men to patronize the establishment. I simply think it is our responsibility as parents to try to educate our children to be respectful of the opposite sex. One way to do that would to be NOT taking them to these places until they are older. Yes, there is plenty of almost nudity on the beach, walking down Bardstown Road, any swimming pool, etc and when we encounter these situations, we should teach our children how to react with respect. This has got to be much harder when you are in an environment involving drinking. With myriad restaurants in the Louisville area, surely you can find someplace more appropriate to take your kids. PS: The same friend has four male grandchildren aged 10 years to 1 year (one of whom belongs to the daughter working at the Kilt) and she and her daughters have all said it is no place for children!
PS: I am just stating my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own!! I certainly don't dislike anyone here or anywhere else who happens to disagree. I am off my proverbial soapbox now and on to other adventures!

[Robin Garr]

PS: I am just stating my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own!! I certainly don't dislike anyone here or anywhere else who happens to disagree. I am off my proverbial soapbox now and on to other adventures!

Soapbox on, Carolyne! I can't imagine you ever being a flame warrior.

She told us that you must try on the uniform at the interview stage and that after opening several young women were culled out because they didn't fit the "look".


I don't care if this was an establishment of scantily clad young men serving food and drink, I would still call it sexist.

There are more then a few non-attractive and unfit ladies working at The Kilt.

Sexism is the belief or attitude that one gender or sex is inferior to, less competent, or less valuable than the other. It can also refer to hatred of, or prejudice towards, either sex as a whole

Some of the customers are pigs, not really sexist, and are not treating the women with respect. This is mostly due to the uniforms. These people see the skimpy outfits and think they can get away with grabbing and off color comments that they wouldn't dare do in other establishments. However, this doesn't make everyone that goes there is sexist. I might even argue that it is a great place to take a youngin. Hey son, look at those assholes, don't ever treat a lady like that.

Just for the record, I personally think this place and Hooters and any place else promoting scantily clad women and alcohol is no place to take a child. Shame on parents who think it is ok to promote sexism to their young children! Adults have the right to choose to eat in this environment, children have to go where their parents take them.

Actually.....for the record, I DID let the kids choose where to go. Also for the record, I personally don't give a rat's ass what anyone, including members of this forum, think of my parenting skills as far as where I take my children to eat. I personally pay my own bills, and make my own decisions. I also think it's extremely poor taste to judge others that you don't know.