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Re: $$How much is a server worth? $$

by Steve H » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:01 pm

If the government has the power to tell us how much employees must be paid, then it has the power to tell us how much we can charge. So, we'll al basically be working for the government. The amounts will be decided by government guys with PhDs, who presumably will make the most money in such a system.
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by Steve P » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:01 pm

Matthew D wrote: Whenever I listen to AM conservative talk radio,


Sometimes when I'm traveling long distance back and forth across the "Heartland" I get the sleepy "head bob" thing going on. My solution ? Turn on talk radio for about 15 minutes. Before you know it, my blood is boiling and I'm looking out the windows for the "black helicopters". So I guess from my perspective these folks do have some useful purpose in life. :roll: :? 8)
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Re: $$How much is a server worth? $$

by Steve P » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:03 pm

Steve H wrote:If the government has the power to tell us how much employees must be paid, then it has the power to tell us how much we can charge. So, we'll al basically be working for the government. The amounts will be decided by government guys with PhDs, who presumably will make the most money in such a system.


Let me assure you...The government guys won't be the ones making the most money. Been there, done that, ain't never going back.
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Re: $$How much is a server worth? $$

by Stephen D » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:05 pm

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Stephen D wrote:For better or worse, this is turning out to be quite the entertaining conversion (al) / debate...

Rock on!


I think I'm going to try to read this thread really-really late tonight, with the candles and the incense burning :P


Theme song: 'Bon-Yar Stomp!'

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Re: $$How much is a server worth? $$

by Kyle L » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:07 pm

This thread belongs in the 60's. :idea:
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Re: $$How much is a server worth? $$

by Steve H » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:11 pm

Steve P wrote:
Steve H wrote:If the government has the power to tell us how much employees must be paid, then it has the power to tell us how much we can charge. So, we'll al basically be working for the government. The amounts will be decided by government guys with PhDs, who presumably will make the most money in such a system.


Let me assure you...The government guys won't be the ones making the most money. Been there, done that, ain't never going back.


Isn't the Government going to set the salaries in Nimbus's and Mathew's preferred society? Of course the folks setting the salaries will make the most money. They will be the bestest and brightestest.
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by Steve P » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:13 pm

Kyle L wrote:This thread belongs in the 60's. :idea:


Kyle...but I thought thought 2009 was the new 60's. :D If so I am so "in".
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by Steve P » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:16 pm

Steve H wrote:Isn't the Government going to set the salaries in Nimbus's and Mathew's preferred society? Of course the folks setting the salaries will make the most money. They will be the bestest and brightestest.


Well...I guess that puts me on food stamps. :?
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by Steve H » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:18 pm

Steve P wrote:Well...I guess that puts me on food stamps. :?

No need for foodstamps in the workers paradise. 4-Star dining for all!
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Re: $$How much is a server worth? $$

by Rob Coffey » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:56 pm

Steve H wrote:
Steve P wrote:
Steve H wrote:If the government has the power to tell us how much employees must be paid, then it has the power to tell us how much we can charge. So, we'll al basically be working for the government. The amounts will be decided by government guys with PhDs, who presumably will make the most money in such a system.


Let me assure you...The government guys won't be the ones making the most money. Been there, done that, ain't never going back.


Isn't the Government going to set the salaries in Nimbus's and Mathew's preferred society? Of course the folks setting the salaries will make the most money. They will be the bestest and brightestest.


I recommend Socialism by Von Mises for understanding the problems with centralized setting of salaries (and prices).
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by Steve P » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:38 pm

Rob Coffey wrote: I recommend Socialism by Von Mises for understanding the problems with centralized setting of salaries (and prices).


When I really want to know what's going on in the world I read anything by Matt Taibbi (his article on Goldman Saks is a masterpiece). He's generally Insightful, articulate and uses just with the right amount of swear words. Just to whet your whistle here's his blog on the teabag partiers. Very humorous and insightful.

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/04 ... le-malkin/
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by Steve H » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:45 pm

Steve P wrote:
Rob Coffey wrote: I recommend Socialism by Von Mises for understanding the problems with centralized setting of salaries (and prices).


When I really want to know what's going on in the world I read anything by Matt Taibbi (his article on Goldman Saks is a masterpiece). He's generally Insightful, articulate and uses just with the right amount of swear words. Just to whet your whistle here's his blog on the teabag partiers. Very humorous and insightful.

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/04 ... le-malkin/


Sorry. Just as bad and unreadable as Malkin.
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Re: $$How much is a server worth? $$

by Paul Mick » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:04 pm

Matthew D wrote:While we expose democracy and equality our free market, capitalism model is anything but.


Matthew D wrote:I'm saddened daily by how much we allow our fixation with economics to undermine what should be our core beliefs of democracy.


I would argue that democracy and equality do not go hand in hand. Democracy can be a brutal and uncaring system (Proposition 8), and representative democracy is little better (USA PATRIOT Act). Your citing "No Child Left Behind" is just another example of how democracy can fail in a very spectacular fashion.

Matthew D wrote:Capitalism, after all, is centered in efficiency, productivity, and profit. Such a system little cares what your social value is, it only cares what you offer the system, what you save the system, and what you ask of ("burden") the system.


I also have to say that Capitalism, at its best, does care about social value. Look at the craft beer movement, the blossoming of farmers markets, and the renewed support of independent businesses. All of these have very close ties to capitalism, in that the discerning consumers choose to spend their money at these businesses instead of the giant, unfeeling chains. They're using their purchasing power to influence the way businesses behave, and if that's not capitalism then I don't know what is.

Because of this, we're starting to see effects on the large businesses. Bud now has a wheat beer for instance, and Wal-Mart sells organic food. Keep in mind that the people who really care aren't falling for these tricks, because the humanitarian disparities haven't changed.

You might argue that the working poor don't have enough disposable income to make a choice, but the fact is that these businesses don't survive solely off of their money. They want the middle class, in all of its incarnations, and that's where the philosophical revolution needs to happen. Personally, I believe its happening right now, but it could take some time to fully implement itself. These aren't the kind of revolutions that happen overnight.

What we need to do as a country is reduce government payouts to businesses. (both large and small) When they can't rely upon the government to bail them out and they have to survive on their own merits, they'll play it safer and keep their business in line with what the people expect. If they fail to do so, then investors and customers will go elsewhere and the people will have spoken.

Now I do have to say that the one area I really differ from true libertarians on is the need for public education. At least for the foreseeable future, there is no way we can have a free society without education. Now, government meddling in education causes some serious problems (No Child Left Behind for instance) but it is definitely better than nothing. Only with an educated populace can we depend upon people to make smart decisions in their own best interest, and thereby break the shackles of both the government and malevolent businesses alike.
"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."--J.R.R. Tolkien
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Re: $$How much is a server worth? $$

by Paul Mick » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:07 pm

Steve H wrote:The amounts will be decided by government guys with PhDs


If only everyone in the government had a doctorate level degree...

I think that would be preferable to the demagogues and demi-humans that we have running it now.
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Re: $$How much is a server worth? $$

by Kyle L » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:18 pm

I ALWAYS watch Michael Moore for honest, non-bias media.





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