Wearing at hat while dining

For the full effect I must iron my drindl.

<pedant> dirndl </pedant>

[somebody needs to invent a "hand clapped over mouth" icon]

Awww, Greg, that's cold, man. I love Fedoras! Well, on a guy, I mean.

Personally, I find that fedora's are incredibly sexy on a woman! (in the movie or play Chicago, for example)

Especially if she's only wearing a fedora!

Robin and I should start a pedant's club....

<pedant>Especially if she's wearing only a fedora!</pedant>

...or,...
<pedant> a fedora only!]</pedant>

this is just a silly thing to say.
i just finished rereading this entire thread because i couldnt believe that it had become important enough to gain 7 pages of momentum.
i noticed the trend that, by and large, those who are opposed to hatdining have attempted to share their insights/thoughts on why they choose such a stance. and why they deem their views 'in proper etiquette'.
while, conversely, those who are in favor have been, by and large, snide, malicious, manipulative of other people's statements and adoptive of an obvious 'im gonna do what i wanna do regardless...' type of attitude.
and that is not something that i just concocted. its simple reading comprehension.
whether one wears a hat, or a tutu, or a bunny suit really doesnt matter to me or affect my life.
i just wanted to point out that after taking a step back and reading everyones posts and how they conduct their opinions from a wider view ...
it becomes incredibly clear to me that i would rather embrace an antiquated, unimportant, meaningless tradition while genuinely respecting other people and having them respect me than say 'to hell with your stupid ways' just so i could bicker for the sake of being stubborn.
i will not cut off my nose to spite my own face.
and in no way is what 'i' choose to do in order to show someone else respect 'a bad thing'.

also, it is ABSURD to say that manners/etiquette are a vehicle used to divde classes.
i will show you respect and leave it at that.

By and large I have found very few snide, malicious, or manipulative statements from anyone in this thread, although your post comes as close as any.

this is just a silly thing to say.
i just finished rereading this entire thread because i couldnt believe that it had become important enough to gain 7 pages of momentum.
i noticed the trend that, by and large, those who are opposed to hatdining have attempted to share their insights/thoughts on why they choose such a stance. and why they deem their views 'in proper etiquette'.
while, conversely, those who are in favor have been, by and large, snide, malicious, manipulative of other people's statements and adoptive of an obvious 'im gonna do what i wanna do regardless...' type of attitude.
and that is not something that i just concocted. its simple reading comprehension.
whether one wears a hat, or a tutu, or a bunny suit really doesnt matter to me or affect my life.
i just wanted to point out that after taking a step back and reading everyones posts and how they conduct their opinions from a wider view ...
it becomes incredibly clear to me that i would rather embrace an antiquated, unimportant, meaningless tradition while genuinely respecting other people and having them respect me than say 'to hell with your stupid ways' just so i could bicker for the sake of being stubborn.
i will not cut off my nose to spite my own face.
and in no way is what 'i' choose to do in order to show someone else respect 'a bad thing'.

also, it is ABSURD to say that manners/etiquette are a vehicle used to divde classes.
i will show you respect and leave it at that.

By and large I have found very few snide, malicious, or manipulative statements from anyone in this thread, although your post comes as close as any.

i am sorry that you feel that way.
i am more sorry that i am not surprised.

1. Manners, as I was taught them, are not judging others for wearing what makes them comfortable, inside or out.
2. If hats are only for "shielding outside elements" therefore inappropriate inside, then take your shoes off in the restaurant, they are for "outside elements".

this is just a silly thing to say.
i just finished rereading this entire thread because i couldnt believe that it had become important enough to gain 7 pages of momentum.
i noticed the trend that, by and large, those who are opposed to hatdining have attempted to share their insights/thoughts on why they choose such a stance. and why they deem their views 'in proper etiquette'.
while, conversely, those who are in favor have been, by and large, snide, malicious, manipulative of other people's statements and adoptive of an obvious 'im gonna do what i wanna do regardless...' type of attitude.
and that is not something that i just concocted. its simple reading comprehension.
whether one wears a hat, or a tutu, or a bunny suit really doesnt matter to me or affect my life.
i just wanted to point out that after taking a step back and reading everyones posts and how they conduct their opinions from a wider view ...
it becomes incredibly clear to me that i would rather embrace an antiquated, unimportant, meaningless tradition while genuinely respecting other people and having them respect me than say 'to hell with your stupid ways' just so i could bicker for the sake of being stubborn.
i will not cut off my nose to spite my own face.
and in no way is what 'i' choose to do in order to show someone else respect 'a bad thing'.

also, it is ABSURD to say that manners/etiquette are a vehicle used to divde classes.
i will show you respect and leave it at that.

Here's my response: This thread is nothing more than 7 pages representing a clash between modern and postmodern sensibilities.

Here's my response to my response: If that's what it is, I'm done participating. It's a fascinating topic, but I don't see the conversation going anywhere productive.

This thread's been fun. This is me leaving it.

1. Manners, as I was taught them, are not judging others for wearing what makes them comfortable, inside or out.
2. If hats are only for "shielding outside elements" therefore inappropriate inside, then take your shoes off in the restaurant, they are for "outside elements".

ridiculous.

have fun with the rest of this thread.
i think im gonna try and read about some restaurants or something crazy like that

2. If hats are only for "shielding outside elements" therefore inappropriate inside, then take your shoes off in the restaurant, they are for "outside elements".

We could take this to the logical conclusion you intended by suggesting we should remove our clothes as well, yes?... Yes, I do see the absurdity of that. But "logical conclusions" don't always work, do they.... Most of us continue to wear clothing indoors, whereas we don't always continue to wear hats and/or shoes.

On the other hand, there are cultures who prefer one remove shoes indoors.... The Japanese, for example. And some very good friends of ours request that guests and friends remove their shoes at the door.

Sorry you missed the point, I'm done discussing this though. I'll never wear a hat again.

Sorry you missed the point, I'm done discussing this though. I'll never wear a hat again.

Well, clearly I did miss the point. Maybe you could clarify for me?

For me, it seemed you were making the point that conventional thinking regarding hats and shoes were conventions for the sake of convention alone and served no practical or real purpose other than making people feel as if they were somehow correct about something... well, conventional.

But so what's the purpose of clothing, then?

Truly, I'm not sure what your distinction means. I'm not trying to be difficult or cute, I'm just pretty sure I *don't* get your point. As you said.

For the full effect I must iron my drindl.

<pedant> dirndl </pedant>

Worn whilst wielding my mezzaluna.

I'm going to start taking pictures of me wearing hats in restaurants just to post in this thread.

Who said anything about imposing a hats-off requirement on friends? Did anybody here ever suggest they have ever asked someone to remove a hat anywhere, either in a public place or somebody's home?

Whew..I just finally got through this thread and it was exauhsting. However I do feel compelled to put my two cents in.

Just this past weekend, I had to ask a very good friend of mine, who was attending a birthday gathering for his sister-in-law, who is a member of the club, to remove his hat. The by-laws of the club state that men are not allowed to wear hats indoors with the exception of the Pro Shop and The Men's Card Room(This exception stems mostly from gentlemen coming in off the course to grab something quickly and then going back outside). I myself personally think its rather gauche and tacky for a man to wear a hat indoors. Growing up, I was raised to remove my hat at the supper table and any friends who ate over at our house were reminded gently to remove their cap as well. This was further reinforced by my catholic schooling,(the nuns would have never tolerated wearing at hat indoors) and my time in the Army when you had to remove your cap indoors as well. (unless you were bearing a weapon).

Now, I feel that there are exceptions to this rule. I see no problem with a guy wearing a hat at a sports bar when he is rooting on his favorite team and wants to show his support by wearing his teams colors. I think that most folks are aware of the proper decorum of the establishment they are patronizing and do abide by the simple rules of civility and etiquette. But it is at times necessary to remind some people that there is a time and place for everything and this is not the time to be wearing a hat indoors.

Because you know, it's impossible to still taste food, or talk to people, or do anything at all while your hat is on. If a hat is impeding any of these things then it's not a hat but a mask.

I wear hats and shoes, but I also love to remove them because deep down, I'm part hippie. Also, being raised by buddhist parents and hosting meetings for the buddhist community on a weekly basis growing up, we left the shoes by the door. Our carpet thanked us. My sister and I joke about being a real "sock family", whatever that means. I own about 50 pairs of good socks, no joke. You cannot just go around taking your shoes off everywhere you go, though, which I consider to be a real bummer.