Chick-Fil-A under fire again

I will fight for my child's rights endlessly.

Your child is lucky to have you. And I really mean it.

[Robin Garr]

You are the one who brought in the Klan equivalence.


Did you mean something else?

Yeah, actually, I did. Klan activity can extend from picketing to demonstrating to symbolic terrorism to lynching. So can organized anti-gay activity by the extreme type of organization that rates SPLC's "Hate Group" rating. Ever hear of Matthew Shepard?

Not all Klan activity leads to murder; nor does all extremist anti-gay activity. But the extremism holds open the possibility of violence, and the hate starts down that road. You seem to be suggesting an equivalency between those who support inclusion and those who support exclusion. That's false equvalency, and it's morally and ethically worth attending to Burke's counsel to stand up against it.

You are the one who brought in the Klan equivalence.


Did you mean something else?

Yeah, actually, I did. Klan activity can extend from picketing to demonstrating to symbolic terrorism to lynching. So can organized anti-gay activity by the extreme type of organization that rates SPLC's "Hate Group" rating. Ever hear of Matthew Shepard?

So, did the murderers of Matthew Shepard contribute to the same groups as the Chik-Fil-A folks? Did the Chik-Fil-A folks contribute to the murder? It's not fair to lump these together.

Not all Klan activity leads to murder; nor does all extremist anti-gay activity. But the extremism holds open the possibility of violence, and the hate starts down that road.

I still don't understand why you think hate is the only reason to oppose same sex marriage.

You seem to be suggesting an equivalency between those who support inclusion and those who support exclusion.

Not really. I believe there is such a thing as Freedom of Association. It's not clear to me that Government interference with that is a net gain over the long run. Let's say that I remain malleable on this point.

That's false equvalency, and it's morally and ethically worth attending to Burke's counsel to stand up against it.

I'm trying not to make a moral judgement, because different folks have different moral values. Many of the those who consider the Chick-Fil-A Folks haters will also espouse a multi-cultural perspective, whereby other cultures should be understood in their own terms.

This privilege seems to be extended to every culture except those who support traditional American culture in general, and the Christian Right in particular. Instead, these folks are haters, always haters. The vilest terrorist must be understood in his cultural milieu, but Chik-Fil-A be haters.

I find this contradiction interesting. I tried to stay out of this thread. Really, I did.

I don't particularly have a problem with same-sex marriage (as an attorney, I welcome any potential expansion of my client base)...nor do I have a problem with CFA's Spicy Chicken Sandwich and Waffle Fries...so, both may co-exist as far as I'm concerned.

Reviewing the list of "anti-gay" groups to which CFA has donated (http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001), the only one there that SPLC has designated a hate group is the Family Research Council, and they only gave FRC $1000. Which is troubling, but small potatoes compared to the nearly $2 million given to other groups like FCA, for which "anti-gay" is a stretch.

Without a doubt same sex marriage should be legal. Same with adoption by same sex couples.

There is absolutely no reason why they should miss the chance to experience all of the trials and tribulations of marriage and children including divorce. Or for that matter the good things.

That is the NATURAL LAW.

He's a question....

Let's say you have an employee who is exemplary in every measure, and then you find out he advocates against same sex marriage. Should he be fired?

If (s)he advocates wearing your company "uniform", says he represents your company, and (as, let's say, store manager) refuses to hire or promote anyone with different views, then (assuming you disagree) yes! If s/he advocates on own time as a private individual, then who cares! (although in Kentucky it's your choice as head of the company)

Mr. Cathy is speaking out in his role as president of CFA, and uses his specific criteria in hiring managers and in selecting franchisees. He does not just speak as a private individual. Therefore, he is advocating against the "gay lifestyle" as part & parcel of his business philosophy and business practice. If you disagree, don't patronize them.

If you are White Castle, donating minimally to your congressman John Boehner's PAC, not broadcasting or telling anyone that this is what you are doing, and do not use neo-conservative practices in your business activities, then (to Robin's point) I may or may not boycott your business, but I wouldn't make a huge deal either way.

Steve H, I think I will understand your position better if you can explain to me in what way same sex marriage is immoral.
Is there a reason apart from immorality that would justify the condemnation of same sex marriage?

For the record, from my understanding "morality" is defined as conduct that is deemed to have merit or value within a culture. A crude understanding would be to say that something is moral because it is right and proper, although that invokes broader meanings of value that border on absolutism despite being fairly vague, which has been reasonably challenged by post-modernism, so I am not quite as comfortable with that understanding.

Steve H, I think I will understand your position better if you can explain to me in what way same sex marriage is immoral.
Is there a reason apart from immorality that would justify the condemnation of same sex marriage

I'm not really opposed to same sex marriage. I didn't mean to give that impression.

My main point is that the Chick-Fil-A folks, and others, have reasons to oppose same sex marriage that do not involve hate, or hating. And I don't think it's fair to categorize them with slavers, murderers, lynchers, and Nazis. In fact, I find these to be odious slanders.

There's plenty of information out there about the philosophy of those who oppose same sex marriage, at least for those who can see past their hate.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/07/24/t ... ntroversy/ The tolerant ones now threaten to deny permits to open new business. Going to eat at Chik-fil-a every chance I get just because its good and the service is great.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/07/24/the-chick-fil-a-gay-marriage-controversy/ The tolerant ones now threaten to deny permits to open new business. Going to eat at Chik-fil-a every chance I get just because its good and the service is great.

Good article. Thanks for posting.

I never got an answe as to why anyone should vote to ban others from basic human rights when it doesn't concern or affect them. It's a little like me being opposed to eating liver and voting to make cooking and eating liver illeagle for those that do enjoy it.

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I never got an answe as to why anyone should vote to ban others from basic human rights when it doesn't concern or affect them. It's a little like me being opposed to eating liver and voting to make cooking and eating liver illeagle for those that do enjoy it.

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Maybe you didn't get an answer because there is no one posting here that is opposed to gay marriage?

If you want an answer though perhaps you could send an e-mail to to the White House and ask Obama why he has held this position of "extreme hatred" ( ) for so many years. Apparently he was just talked over to the "enlightened side" a month or so ago by one (or was it both?) of his daughters. Holy S#it.

The question I want an answer to is why we allow the government to be involved in marriage at all. A tax break for married couples? Puh-leeze. Or, in my case, a tax INCREASE for getting married (I'll give that a double WTF?). If your church wants to marry you, whoever or whatever you are, then great. Why does the government even need to know about it?