Roger Baylor/ABusch

[Robin Garr]

Your Via Media reference made me think of Walter Russel Mead.

Interesting! It's actually an Anglican reference to Elizabeth I and Archbishop Cranmer, who used this "Middle Way" approach to get England's warring Catholics and Protestants together into a single church where they could get over the burnings, hangings, drawings and quarterings by agreeing to follow their own ways on theology while sharing a Book of Common Prayer and taking communion together. But that's beyond the scope of this forum.

Your Via Media reference made me think of Walter Russel Mead.

Interesting! It's actually an Anglican reference to Elizabeth I and Archbishop Cranmer, who used this "Middle Way" approach to get England's warring Catholics and Protestants together into a single church where they could get over the burnings, hangings, drawings and quarterings by agreeing to follow their own ways on theology while sharing a Book of Common Prayer and taking communion together. But that's beyond the scope of this forum.

I believe his father was a Presbyterian minister. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

Oh Brother.

Yeah. He's a stand up guy. It's strange that it never shows up in his writings.

I see that (a) condescending is in your repertoire, too, an (b) you haven't read very much of what I've written.

BTW, down to 500 words, and getting closer to the craved-for paragraph.

Oops ... I just realized that I'm confused about Steve H's question(s) to me, as they seem to be evolving.

First it was: "Please, please explain how your advertisement is a worthy means towards that worthy goal of promoting craft beer."

Now, perhaps it's slightly different: "It has more to do with his war on AB customers, implying conservatives are fascists, and making fun of conservatives when they notice he just called them fascists."

Here's a possible answer for the first:

My advertisement is a worthy means toward the goal of promoting craft beer because it helps me to locate and build a coalition of the like-minded, while not necessarily offending those who disagree, unless they've consumed too much of the Kool-Aid, as opposed to the craft beer.

As for the second:

Differentiation from accepted norms is critical to drinking outside the Bud and to selling those beers that facilitate it; both fascism and conservatism are commonly taken to lie on the "right" side of the political spectrum, whilst I commonly inhabit the "left"; and I'm capable of laughing "with" or "at" something or someone, but moreover, sometimes I just laugh, period.

Several respondents to this thread have commented intelligently on all the other aspects of my defense -- the Guthrie history, the targeting of left-leaners in Wisconsin, and so on. Thanks again to all of you.

Yeah. He's a stand up guy. It's strange that it never shows up in his writings.

I see that (a) condescending is in your repertoire, too,

I don't read this as condescension, as much as boredom with the repetition. It's like replaying Level 1 in Doom and never making the next level. This is what happens when the Roger-bots are on a rampage.

an (b) you haven't read very much of what I've written.

I have read everything that you have written in this thread. Is there some comment of mine, that would lead you to believe otherwise? I would gladly clarify it.

BTW, down to 500 words, and getting closer to the craved-for paragraph.

Don't you go and make me like you after all this!

Yeah. He's a stand up guy. It's strange that it never shows up in his writings.

Here's 1,800 or so of "his writings" to get you started. Let us know when you reach "never".
http://potablecurmudgeon.blogspot.com/

Yeah. He's a stand up guy. It's strange that it never shows up in his writings.

Here's 1,800 or so of "his writings" to get you started. Let us know when you reach "never".
http://potablecurmudgeon.blogspot.com/

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[Robin Garr]

Oh Brother.

No backquote, no context? Just a generic flipoff? Care to elaborate?

Oops ... I just realized that I'm confused about Steve H's question(s) to me, as they seem to be evolving.

First it was: "Please, please explain how your advertisement is a worthy means towards that worthy goal of promoting craft beer."

Actually, with this statement, I was just trying to give you a clear target to shoot at. I thought it might be more convenient with a long thread. It came after much dialog, and was hoping by your answer to understand your perspective better.

From my perspective, I could not conceive how denigrating Republicans could be a goal that had anything in common with promoting craft beer. So, I distilled some of my concerns so as to learn if you really thought those were compatible goals.

Now, perhaps it's slightly different: "It has more to do with his war on AB customers, implying conservatives are fascists, and making fun of conservatives when they notice he just called them fascists."

I tried to distill all of my concerns into a simple enough statement such that even a Roger-bot could understand them. This doesn't mean I have been moving any goal posts on you. You don't have to jump through my hoops anyway. I'm just some dude on the Internet.

Here's a possible answer for the first:

My advertisement is a worthy means toward the goal of promoting craft beer because it helps me to locate and build a coalition of the like-minded, while not necessarily offending those who disagree, unless they've consumed too much of the Kool-Aid, as opposed to the craft beer.

By Kool-Aide do you mean AB? Or Republican Kool-aide?

By like minded, do you mean liked minded and interested in craft beer? Or like minded in the sense of feeling the Republican gubernatorial pain?

Do you see how you are not separating politics from your beer advocacy here? Is this on purpose, or can you really not see the difference?

This is really the nut of the dispute, and somehow, you keep talking your way right past it.

As for the second:

Differentiation from accepted norms is critical to drinking outside the Bud and to selling those beers that facilitate it; both fascism and conservatism are commonly taken to lie on the "right" side of the political spectrum, whilst I commonly inhabit the "left"; and I'm capable of laughing "with" or "at" something or someone, but moreover, sometimes I just laugh, period.

I'm having a hard time interpreting this, but it sounds like you just acknowledged everything that I've been saying.. Am I misunderstanding you? Seriously, I just got whiplash.

You could have just said "Steve H you are right". Saved us all a bunch of time.

Yeah. He's a stand up guy. It's strange that it never shows up in his writings.

Here's 1,800 or so of "his writings" to get you started. Let us know when you reach "never".
http://potablecurmudgeon.blogspot.com/

Current appearances aside, I do not stalk Mr. Baylor around the Internet. I only know about him by what he brings into this forum. You are welcome to point me to any of his posts that you think are pertinent to this discussion.

Of particular interest, would be an advertisement insulting Democrats, targeting customers at a conservative gathering. A good start might even be something simple, like a positive post about Republicans or conservatives. So, start with that if it's easier for you. Should be something in there that you can use, with 1800 posts to choose from.

Just don't expect me to do your work for you.

[I only know about him by...

Setting aside for a moment that you earlier referenced writings from outside this forum as evidence for your "side", the above quoted is precisely the point some others tried to make while you were busy making broad generalizations based on very limited knowledge. But, having seen this type of thing play out for a couple of decades now, I'd encourage you to continue. Your faux-victimization routine has kept the thread alive and helps "to locate and build a coalition of the like-minded, while not necessarily offending those who disagree, unless they've consumed too much of the Kool-Aid".

Good thing you "never" fall for that sort of thing.

Do you see how you are not separating politics from your beer advocacy here?

What? Separate politics from beer advocacy? Silly me; I never realized that was a rule.

An entity like Coors (or whatever multinational owns it today) never separated politics from marketing; rather, as an example, they've tend to give money to gay rights groups, while also giving money to the politicians bashing the very same gay rights groups.

But why be as namby pamby as the beer Coors brews? I'd rather just support the gay rights groups, and cut out the opportunistic, prohibitionist fundamentalists. I sleep better that way.

All my adult life, I've listened as those occupying the right wing of the socio-political spectrum make (purported) exclusive claim to things like core beliefs, morals and values. Guess what? We have them over on the left side of the aisle, too, and if, as a person engaged in the beer business, my declaring an earnest opposition to the tenets of fascism qualifies as controversial, I'm truly at a loss.

I've relayed this story previously. At he risk of being self-reverential/referential, here it is again.

I recall the time when a Bank Street Brewhouse customer asked one of our servers to explain my political beliefs in light of the red stars on the shiny new brewing equipment.

Our man on the floor made a game effort to interpret these complex threads of geopolitics, economics and the art of brewing, and to phrase them in a snappy sentence that is reproducible on a bumper sticker for a Lexus, and yet the customer remained unimpressed, writing this on his charge card receipt:

“Tell your Commie boss to share the wealth.”

He stiffed the server on the tip. That's Kool-Aid, dude.

[I only know about him by...

Setting aside for a moment that you earlier referenced writings from outside this forum as evidence for your "side",

The writings which I referenced from outside this forum, were linked by Roger and the Roger-bots in this thread. As I said previously, you are welcome to do the same. Have you been following along, or did you jump ahead?

the above quoted is precisely the point some others tried to make while you were busy making broad generalizations based on very limited knowledge.

But I don't have ANY issues with Mr, Baylor, that are not related to the ad (which he posted here) and his postings in this forum. I'm glad he is a great guy. Really. But whether he is or isn't, it's not my beef.

But, having seen this type of thing play out for a couple of decades now, I'd encourage you to continue.

Thank you. I might just do that. Or, I might not. Mine is a fickle muse.

Your faux-victimization routine

How am I a victim? I'm not a republican, nor an AB customer. I do feel some obligation to my friends who are AB customers and/or Republicans. Your own biases lead you to assume too much.

has kept the thread alive

I admit my role in keeping this thread alive. Roger has also had a part. And now you as well. You are welcome to move along at any point. Or not. I have no preference.

and helps "to locate and build a coalition of the like-minded, while not necessarily offending those who disagree, unless they've consumed too much of the Kool-Aid".

Cute. Assuming my motivations are the same as Roger's. Projection anyone?

Good thing you "never" fall for that sort of thing.

What sort of kool-aid would that be? Republican kool-aid? AB kool-aid? Or are they all the same thing in your world too?

Steve, I have a bunch o' things to do, and this has gotten sufficiently passive-aggressive that I'm stepping away from the table for a bit. Please feel free to market me in my absence, thanks.