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Sq. footage v. sq. inches...at "Henry's Place"

by Willie Myers » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:08 am

I wanted to pass along a "deal-breaker" experience @ Henry's Place last evening, in the hopes that none of you out there might encounter the same. I want to start by pointing out that the following only applies to groups of 6 or more - - fewer than that, "move along...nothing to see here...."

Bottom line is that we, 3 couples, had booked well in advance for a Sat. night dinner. As H.P. is new, I - - as, I suspect, many of you - - have not actually been inside, yet. In making the reservation, I spoke on the phone with a young woman that told me that they could accommodate a group of 6 in one of the following ways; (a.) a "large, round table", specifically designed for 6, or (b.) some two-tops, slid together, across from bench seating.
Given her enthusiasm for "a.", I opted for that and asked that she note same on our reservation. She said they would do their best.....

When we arrived last evening, my wife and i arrived last. The other 2 couples were already seated in one of a number of nicely sized booths. Nicely sized for *4*, that is...
I glanced at the empty booth behind and thought - whoa!, are they going to seat 4 of us in the front booth, and 2 in the rear one?! In retro, that would have been preferable to what happened - - they tried to sandwich all 6 of us in to the single booth.
This was *not* going to be good......
I immediately spoke of the young man seating us, mentioning my phone call (noted above). He went off to speak with the woman that I had spoken with, who I assume is at least an asst. mgr. , if not higher up the chain.

In any event, she came over to inform me that; (a.) she was, in fact, the person that I had spoken with and (b.) I was mistaken in my recollection of "a large, round table" being mentioned as there were obviously *no* round tables (or booths) in the place - - fair enough, my memory is less-than-perfect these days :oops: and it's entirely plausible that she did not use the word "round" when describing the seating offerings to me - - and (c.) she went in to great detail to explain how they were expecting a "twelve-top" any moment and there was really no where else in H.P. that we could be moved to. End of discussion....

What to do, then? It was "take it or leave it"....
And, we decided to leave it.
At that point, we hadn't even had an opportunity to order cocktails, so I got on my phone and - - 90 seconds later - - announced to my boothful of guests that Z's would have a table for us in 10 minutes.

15 minutes later we were all seated - - comfortably(!) - - at Z's (at a "large, round table" :wink: :wink: ) and proceeded to have a lovely evening!
"All's well...", I guess.

Now, I firmly believe that, just an establishment has a responsiblity to present an appropriate environment for dining out, I - as a patron - *also* have a responsibility to make an effort to assure that I have checked out the venue, prior to booking. And, to that end, two things;
1. I *had* gone to H.P.'s website to look for photos that would enlighten me as to seating arrangements. The only photo showing the booth seatings was this:
bar2.jpg

Judge for yourself whether those booths look like they could accommodate 6?
2. I made two, afternoon trips to H.P. in order to see for myself the seating arrangements. I was aware that they did not open for lunch, but thought that I might catch them mid-afternoon, and get a quick look-see? Neither trip resulted in being able to rouse anyone inside the restaurant.

So that's it then. As I said above, "All's well...", I guess. But it really shouldn't have happened this way. I was *really* impressed with the interior design - with what they have accomplished, given the square footage that they have to work with. But they, the venue, have to acknowledge that "fine dining" requires an amount of "square inches" per patron for a proper fine dining experience.

Because they provide such an interesting and innovative menu, I actually suspect that my wife and I will return and give it another try, as will the other two couples....perhaps. And that's the problem for Henry's. When we talk to other friends who often dine out, will we recall this first attempt to dine there, so poorly handled. I honestly don't know, but for all of you that might be considering a visit there, if you're 6 or more, be adamant in advance about your seating....you'll need to.
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by RonnieD » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:42 am

I just don't understand the attitude. In the brief time I was responsible for front of house duties so long ago, I would have lost sleep over a situation like this had it occurred in my restaurant. I would have cleared every available table I had to accommodate people in a botched situation like this. Heck, I've pulled outdoor chairs indoors to fix similar problems. I've taken office chairs and tables out of storage, clearly in violation of fire codes.

It's customer service for Pete's sake. Your one task is to service the customer. And even in the worst scenario, you are always gracious and positive and are looking for the best resolution for the customer.

Sheesh.
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by Robin Garr » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:08 pm

Now, this is interesting. I really liked Henry's a lot, but the one sour note - as reported in my review - came when we arrived, with reservations, and were directed to a table in the bar that was really too small for our party of three. I could see plenty of free tables in the main dining room, and again, we had reservations and were fully compliant with the dress code and then some. But when I asked if we could sit in the main room, the hostess literally looked right through me as if I weren't standing there and hadn't said anything. If I had been in a different mood, I might have had a tantrum and stormed out, but I try not to act like that most of the time. It did give me the feeling that FOH training might have been lacking, though. I had hoped time on the ground would get them through that.
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by Mark R. » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:37 pm

Robin Garr wrote:Now, this is interesting. I really liked Henry's a lot, but the one sour note - as reported in my review - came when we arrived, with reservations, and were directed to a table in the bar that was really too small for our party of three. I could see plenty of free tables in the main dining room, and again, we had reservations and were fully compliant with the dress code and then some. But when I asked if we could sit in the main room, the hostess literally looked right through me as if I weren't standing there and hadn't said anything. If I had been in a different mood, I might have had a tantrum and stormed out, but I try not to act like that most of the time. It did give me the feeling that FOH training might have been lacking, though. I had hoped time on the ground would get them through that.

It seems like the FOH is as much as a problem as anything else is our experiences are the norm. Another restaurant where we've had experiences very similar to yours Robin is at the Village Anchor. Several times we've made reservations well in advance to take friends are there for dinner specifying we would like to sit inside. When we arrived we were seated outside even though there was hardly anybody seated inside. When we question this we were basically ignored with the comment this is where we're seeing you! I guess maybe we aren't a sufficient stature in the Anchorage pecking order to be seated inside.
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Re: Sq. footage v. sq. inches...at "Henry's Place"

by Robin Garr » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:20 pm

Mark R. wrote:I guess maybe we aren't a sufficient stature in the Anchorage pecking order to be seated inside.


I sure hope that's not the case, Mark! Do you think there's any chance that there's an accessibility issue, though? Of course they should disclose that if so.
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by Jeffrey D. » Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:41 pm

Similar thing happened at HP to a friend of mine a couple of weeks ago. He's VERY fastidious and organized. Has important guests coming in from St. Louis. Called a week in advance to get reservations for 4. Even knew enough to ask for a booth. Gets put at one of those little tables in the bar area (I'm assuming like the one Robin mentioned was too small for 3). Thought they were just being asked to have drinks in the bar until their dinner table was ready. Said there was barely enough room for their drinks, let alone 4 dinners. Got very concerned when they started setting the bar table for dinner. Was told that was where they would be eating. My friend, who is also quite assertive, disagreed. He worked his way up the HP management chain, with no satisfaction, until he got with whom he understood to be the head guy (maybe the chef, but I'm not clear on that part of the story now). My friend suggested they go outside because he expected to get loud. And they went outside and finally got the problem resolved. They got moved to a reasonably-sized table.

It sounds like there might be some systemic problem at HP. Don't take the reservation if you can't honor it. Better to turn away a few patrons than to shoehorn too many people into too little space.
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by Mark R. » Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:13 pm

Robin Garr wrote:
Mark R. wrote:I guess maybe we aren't a sufficient stature in the Anchorage pecking order to be seated inside.


I sure hope that's not the case, Mark! Do you think there's any chance that there's an accessibility issue, though? Of course they should disclose that if so.

Not at all because we did go inside and look around without a problem.
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by Steve H » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:22 am

My Sweetie and a friend had a similar experience at Henry's Place. I assumed there were some wrinkles left to get ironed out. Apparently they like these wrinkles. :shock:
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by Deb Hall » Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:44 am

Mark R. wrote:
Robin Garr wrote:
Mark R. wrote:I guess maybe we aren't a sufficient stature in the Anchorage pecking order to be seated inside.


I sure hope that's not the case, Mark! Do you think there's any chance that there's an accessibility issue, though? Of course they should disclose that if so.

Not at all because we did go inside and look around without a problem.


Mark,

Maybe there is a perception problem on this issue with the FOH? Honestly, Mark, before you answered, I thought- that's it- it's not accessible inside. I remember that space upstairs in the house as very tight and cramped with no room to maneuver. Maybe they mistakenly assume the same thing...?

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by Alison Hanover » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:48 pm

Why would accessibility at the Anchor be a problem? Is Mark R in a wheelchair? Just wondering. Jeffrey, I would have done the same as your friend. I was wondering why Robin didn't ask again, when the hotstess seemed to look right through him.
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by Stephen D » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:25 pm

Alison Hanover wrote:Is Mark R in a wheelchair? Just wondering.


Yup. And it changes nothing...
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by Alison Hanover » Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:28 pm

I agree it changes nothing, If they reserved to sit inside they should have been allowed to sit inside.
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by Pat McGinnis » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:18 pm

As co-owner of Henry’s Place, along with Chef de Cuisine, Charlie Reed, I wanted to take a moment to respond to the comment posted by Mr. Willy Myers on Hot Bytes on Sunday, September 9. Mr. Myers and his party of six had a reservation at our restaurant for 7:30pm the previous Saturday evening.

First, I would like to offer an apology to Mr. Myers for our being unable to accommodate another seating of his party. Given our size, we especially don’t want to see a party of 6 decide to go elsewhere. Mr. Myers, we would like to ask you to give us another chance. If you and your party would come again, we would be happy to provide dessert for the table.

That being said, please know that Henry’s Place is a small restaurant (85 seats), and our experience since opening is that we are completely booked on Friday and Saturday evenings. (As a consequence, our policy for those evenings is to sit any walk in patrons in the bar area). I happened to have been in the restaurant last Saturday night, celebrating my youngest daughter’s 30th birthday that evening, and we were quite busy. We did not have any options available for a party of 6 that would not have required Mr. Myers and his group to wait a long wait.

I would also like to take a moment to address our booth size. After doing a little research on the internet, I learned that “standard” sizes for a 6 top booth can range between 60 inches and 72 inches in seat length. Yesterday I stopped by the restaurant to measure our booths, and they are 66” – pretty much in the middle of the standard. I also have experienced the booths personally (my daughter’s birthday dinner was a party of 5 – my wife and I on one side and my daughter, son, and a friend on the other). I will say that for our party, there was no sign of discomfort on anyone’s part. At least for now, we think our booths are adequate and comfortable for a party of 6. I grant you that if several people in the party were above average in size, it could be a little snug. We have not had any other patrons complain about the booth size to this point.

As a neophyte in the restaurant game, one of things I have learned is that no restaurant can make everyone happy all the time. Two people can have completely opposite reactions to the same menu item, décor, server, etc. However, when you hear the same comment or complaint several times by different people, it constitutes a trend, and we need to listen. That is our pledge to our customers. Robin Garr, in his review of Henry’s Place criticized the small tables we have in the bar. We have had other comments in that regard, so we recently limited these tables to 3 tops and we are ordering larger rectangular tables that will serve this space much better. (Thank you Robin, and others!) The trick in getting this done was to figure out where we could replace these seats in another area of the restaurant. When you only have 85 seats, every seat counts.

In closing, I would simply thank all of you who added your comments Charlie and I look forward to serving each of you in the future.

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by Robin Garr » Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:03 pm

Pat McGinnis wrote:As co-owner of Henry’s Place, along with Chef de Cuisine, Charlie Reed, I wanted to take a moment to respond ...


Thanks for a classy response, Pat. I appreciate you taking the time to drop by the forum and respond to this discussion. I can't emphasize too strongly how much our group enjoyed Henry's Place. The issues with the bar table and the lack of response to my question about a change were a very minor bump in an otherwise smooth road, and I hope my published review reflected that.
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Re: Sq. footage v. sq. inches...at "Henry's Place"

by Alison Hanover » Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:35 pm

I thought they had a reservation, which means they weren't walk-ins. Am I to understand that the only place to seat 6 people is in the booths?

That being said, please know that Henry’s Place is a small restaurant (85 seats), and our experience since opening is that we are completely booked on Friday and Saturday evenings. (As a consequence, our policy for those evenings is to sit any walk in patrons in the bar area). I happened to have been in the restaurant last Saturday night, celebrating my youngest daughter’s 30th birthday that evening, and we were quite busy. We did not have any options available for a party of 6 that would not have required Mr. Myers and his group to wait a long wait.
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