Deb Hall
Foodie
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Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:46 pm
Highlands , Louisville
Deb Hall wrote:Are you going to be serving, Ryan? I'm still waiting to taste this fantastic BBQ you've been working on!![]()
Robin- we need a new emoticon- " tongue hanging out of mouth drooling".![]()
Deb
Steve P wrote:Unfortunately "Restaurant" BBQ and "Competition" BBQ are two different animals...well, no not really...They're the same animals just two totally different approaches. With restaurant BBQ you're shooting for good "eatin" BBQ, with Competition BBQ you're shooting for good scoring BBQ and (unfortunately...as much as I wish it were otherwise) they are not necessarily one and the same. Some restauranteurs have mastered the "in your face" approach to competition BBQ recipes and do well, a lot of others come in, do their usual restaurant thing and end up leaving a little red faced. I think most of the teams who have elected to compete in the "People's Choice" category (we are not competing in the P.C.) will be trying to serve the people good "eatin" BBQ and they'll save the "Rib-sicles" for the judges.
Ryan Rogers wrote:What would you say are the key differences between good scoring BBQ and what people except from "good" restaurant BBQ other than FOTB ribs?
Steve P wrote:Ryan Rogers wrote:What would you say are the key differences between good scoring BBQ and what people except from "good" restaurant BBQ other than FOTB ribs?
Anyway, here's the deal...the judge is typically taking one...maybe two bites of your product. If it doesn't "wow" them...guess what ? You just made good "eatin" BBQ but NOT good "scorin" BBQ.
Ryan Rogers wrote:Steve P wrote:Ryan Rogers wrote:What would you say are the key differences between good scoring BBQ and what people except from "good" restaurant BBQ other than FOTB ribs?
Anyway, here's the deal...the judge is typically taking one...maybe two bites of your product. If it doesn't "wow" them...guess what ? You just made good "eatin" BBQ but NOT good "scorin" BBQ.
Ahh.. this makes perfect, albeit unfortunate, sense. Something that is going to be a burst of flavor paired with the right texture that would actually end up being way too overpowering if they were to actually eat a couple bones.
Steve P wrote:Ryan Rogers wrote:What would you say are the key differences between good scoring BBQ and what people except from "good" restaurant BBQ other than FOTB ribs?
Well. Based on the last couple of contests we've cooked, I am not sure I'm qualified to answer that question...Suffice it to say it's been a rough couple of years. Joking aside (since we -have- won the rib category in the past)...And speaking only to the rib category (for now) the primary difference I see -today- (as opposed to 8 years ago when we started this)...the flavor profile most contestants are turning in is "sweet". I'm not talking a little honey in your BBQ sauce, I'm talking "rib-sicles"...A sweet rub - a sweet baste (I use honey, peach nectar and another ingredient I'll share with you in private
) - a sweet sauce, with just enough of whatever "secret spice" a particular team has came up with to give it a unique profile. That and you'll also find a fair number of jars of MSG/Accent in the trash cans after one of these events as well. Personally, I can only take that stuff in moderation before I have a reaction to it (I used to swell up big time back when we were judging contests, so I -know- people are using it in their rubs). Anyway, here's the deal...the judge is typically taking one...maybe two bites of your product. If it doesn't "wow" them...guess what ? You just made good "eatin" BBQ but NOT good "scorin" BBQ.
There's another guy who floats through here every now and again...Andrew I think (??) who's team does quite well...Maybe he'll float by and see this drop a few words of wisdom but as for me...that's just what I've observed.
Dan Thomas wrote:Don't forget about the Parkay! I attended a seminar hosted by Mr. BBQ himself, Ray Lampe this year and he basically broke down what it takes to be competitive at a KCBS event. He doesn't cook in many contests anymore because he has gotten so dis-enchanted with everyone using the same basic techniques and super sweet flavor profiles. As a comparison Ed Reader who is sort of a BBQ mad scientist took a rack of ribs and smeared a tub of vanilla iceing on them, put them back on the rig in foil and let it carmelize on the rack. To most people that sounds gross, but the results were pretty simular considering how sweet the other ones were. And for the folks who are scoring at home, always remember FOTB ribs do not win and are shunned in the competition BBQ world, because it really doesn't take much skill to overcook a rib to the point where they are mushy.![]()
We talked them in to coming to Louisville next March to do the seminar again when the ACF-KY Chapter will be hosting the ACF Southeast Regional in 2013. It didn't take too much arm twisitng because we have lots of good eatin' and bourbon here. They are really nice and fun guys to hang out with.
As far as Blues and BBQ on the River, I really just hope it doesn't rain again this year......It's no fun to wake up hungover all wet.![]()
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Ryan Rogers wrote:Steve P wrote:Ryan Rogers wrote:What would you say are the key differences between good scoring BBQ and what people except from "good" restaurant BBQ other than FOTB ribs?
Anyway, here's the deal...the judge is typically taking one...maybe two bites of your product. If it doesn't "wow" them...guess what ? You just made good "eatin" BBQ but NOT good "scorin" BBQ.
Ahh.. this makes perfect, albeit unfortunate, sense. Something that is going to be a burst of flavor paired with the right texture that would actually end up being way too overpowering if they were to actually eat a couple bones.
Which is where the MSG/Accent comes in as a flavor "enhancer" to produce a meatier/more umami tasting rib.
It seems like you may be able to also help this burst of flavor by adding some acid in the form of powdered citric, malic, or ascorbic acid (depending on the flavor profile you're looking at) to your rub, sauce, or glaze. This could potentially really give it a pop.
There are really unlimited powders out there that you could build multiple layers of flavor into a rib with. Mirepoix powders, cranberry powders, etc, etc.
Clearly this takes away from the concept of being able to smoke the best BBQ and becomes the ability to create the most interesting flavor profile, but where does one draw the line?
Madeline M
Foodie
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Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:17 pm
Greater 'burbs of Detroit
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