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Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Steve P » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:36 pm

Generally The Lovely Rebecca and I wait until the Brouhaha has died down before dining at the NBT (Next Big Thing)...Having said that, we found ourselves downtown running errands on Saturday and sporting a 2 month old Jones for some good BBQ we decided to give the new Doc Crowes a try.

Before getting into anything, let me mention what I was hoping to find...That being an urban BBQ oasis along the lines of Blue Smoke BBQ in Manhattan. A place where when friends and family came to town you could say "Hey...Check THIS out". In other words, I really-REALLY wanted to like this place. Unfortunately Doc Crowes (so far) only fills half the bill. On the positive side, the restaurant has every appearance of being professionally ran, the service we enjoyed was top notch (I believe our servers name was was Sephora...but I'm a little hard of hearing and may be wrong) and I'm even "down" with the East Meets West - Sushi Bar meets BBQ Joint motiff/decor. On the negative side, the BBQ was <huge painful sigh> amongst the worst restaurant BBQ I've had...Anywhere. (NOTE: We dined at 4pm...No "we were slammed" explanations accepted)

On the off chance that someone "in the know" will read this, let me just say that BBQ is a passion of mine. Along with pizza and Global Geo-Politics, BBQ is one of the few things where I consider myself knowledgeable. My lovely bride and I have cooked it competitively in four states (MN State Champion - Ribs in 2006), We are certified judges and have judged numerous competitions. I've even planned vacations around the proximity to outstanding BBQ joints (my wife didn't know that until now...but I guess THAT cat is now out of the bag). So with that introduction made, allow me to "score" our meal..."competition style" (appearance, taste and texture/tenderness on a 1 to 9 scale).

Baby Back Ribs: The ribs come without sauce (and I'm OK with that) and seasoned ("rubbed") with a "secret" concoction of spices. I ordered the half rack. The ribs arrived with the appearance of something that had been parboiled and finished in an oven. Very pale, extremely lightly seasoned and not particularly appetizing. The next thing I noticed was that the membrane on the back of the ribs had not been removed prior to cooking...a fundamental error that prevents seasoning from penetrating the meat to any real degree...In this case, that might not have been a bad thing because the membrane was the only thing holding the rack together. These ribs were so grossly overcooked that they gave "falling off the bone" a whole new meaning. The flavor was positively pedestrian...virtually no "smokiness" to the meat and quite bland due to the lack of aggressive seasoning.

Score: Appearance 4, Taste 4, Tenderness/Texture 3 (Yes, you can get BBQ too tender)

Brisket: Note, the management was quite accommodating when I requested a half order of Brisket be combined with a half order of Pulled Pork...Much obliged for that. The brisket was served as a "slab" of brisket as opposed to the slices I was expecting (and as is the generally accepted serving practice). This in conjunction with it being moderately undercooked resulted in an extremely tough piece of beef. The toughness was further exacerbated by the fact that the meat was sliced with the grain as opposed to across the grain...a fundamental mistake (think flank steak cut with the grain and you get the picture). The flavor was -ok-...at best. The "beef" side of the profile came out well but (again) there was virtually no taste of seasoning or true BBQ "smokiness".

Score: Appearance 4, Taste 5, Tenderness/Texture 3

Pulled Pork: Not the worst scoring of the three...but right up there with the ribs in terms of being disappointing. The appearance was -ok- although there was (again) no sign that any significant amount of smoke had touched the meat...No "diversity" (in other words a mixture of "Mr. Brown and Ms White")...just a big pile of white meat. The flavor was about one notch north of an oven cooked, unseasoned pork chop...and dry...REALLY dry...almost as if I was eating overcooked tenderloin and not moist succulent shoulder.

Score: Appearance 5, Taste 4, Texture/Tenderness 4

Scoring complete...To improve on an already EXCELLENT concept, my suggestion would be to contact and/or consult Mr Mike Mills, probably THE best BBQ restaurantuer in the country; Owner of 17th Street BBQ (Best Ribs in the U.S. - Bon Appetite) and a partner in the previously mentioned Blue Smoke BBQ. Mike can be reached through: http://www.17thstreetbarbecue.com/ContactUs.htm
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Re: Doc Crowes - Constructive Criticism

by Ed Vermillion » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:46 pm

Excellent review, Stevie. Your BBQ credentials speak for themselves and I firmly believe that hearing constructive criticism can only help this establishment. I've enjoyed what I have had there (Po-Boys only) and wish them well.

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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Ron Taglieri » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:06 pm

Very thorough review. To obtain perspective on your preferences, can you name some of the best bbq in town.

For me, Texican is head and shoulders above the rest, but always good to learn of others.


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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Becky P » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:45 pm

Being known as the Hatchet Lady on the BBQ judging circuit, I must say I concur with what Stevie said about our dinner. He was very fair with his numbers. Wanting to try a little bit of everything, I ordered the smoked turkey, which was the server told me was served with gravy. I asked for the gravy on the side and opted for the Texas styled BBQ sauce which was very good. The turkey was probably the best of the meats we ordered. Although it did not have a smokey flavor, it was tender and fairly moist. I also enjoyed a wedge salad that was exceptionally good - just the right amount of blue cheese, smokey bacon bits, chopped tomato and slivers of red onion.
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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Will Crawford » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:05 pm

Becky,
I love the Avatar.
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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Steve P » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:59 pm

Will Crawford wrote:Becky,
I love the Avatar.


:D ...Ya like that ?....I picked it out :P :roll: :twisted: :wink:
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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Mark R. » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:50 pm

Great review! Hopefully that will make improvements based in your recommendations. I'd hate to think that they actually thought that what they were making was good Q.
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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Mark Head » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:14 am

Great review - so diplomatic. 8)
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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Carla G » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:00 am

A very fair and balanced review Steve and having had your wonderful BBQ I totally trust your instincts on this.

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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by DanB » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:09 pm

Can't take them seriously if they can't be arsed to remove the membrane. That's BBQ 101. Did they take the image over substance route? Or maybe just a rush job on a bad day? This is not encouraging.
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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by David Clancy » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:33 pm

Steve P wrote:
Will Crawford wrote:Becky,
I love the Avatar.


:D ...Ya like that ?....I picked it out :P :roll: :twisted: :wink:
I want a closer look...nudge nudge....
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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Steve P » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:09 pm

DanB wrote:Can't take them seriously if they can't be arsed to remove the membrane. That's BBQ 101. Did they take the image over substance route? Or maybe just a rush job on a bad day? This is not encouraging.


Removing the membrane is indeed "BBQ 101"...along with slicing brisket against the grain. I won't and/or can't comment on the image over substance...only time will answer that question. Thinking back on our meal and the time of day (we were amongst the first customers of the day) I wouldn't rule out that we were served product that was leftover from the previous day and simply reheated...Not saying it did happen but that would certainly explain the overcooked ribs and the dryness of the pork. The only other explanation I can come up with is that they have succumbed to that "throw it in the smoker/oven, set it and forget it" school of BBQ thought...Great BBQ is a little more "hands on" than that.

As I mentioned in my "review"...if it were me and I had put as much time and money into the place as they obviously have, I'd be consulting with someone with a proven track record in the BBQ business...Like Mike Mills...or Chis Lilly...or Ray Lampe.
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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Tim Y » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:22 pm

Ditto on the avatar!! It was one months picture from my last years calendar. Some of the other months were "smokin" also
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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by RonnieD » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:26 pm

much respect for this analysis. I think the most shocking part for me is the constant reference to the absence of "smokiness" at a BBQ place. We have not had the opportunity to give Doc Crows a try, particularly since the wife is a self-proclaimed BBQ connoisseur, but this review is greatly appreciated and will help us decided when and if we decide to venture out.
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Re: Doc Crows - Constructive Criticism

by Marsha L. » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:18 pm

Unless I miss my guess, Becky's avatar is one of the many fantastic works of Art Frahm.


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