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Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by TP Lowe » Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:37 am

Friends and my wife and I were to meet last night at a locally owned, single location favorite of this board. They arrived early, and apparently the host/hostess attempted to seat them at a table that was in the very back of the restaurant, next to the kitchen door, despite us having made reservations about ten days earlier. My friends declined the table, and asked to wait in the lobby while an additional table opened. Full disclosure, I was not there to hear any of the discussion about the table.

We arrived, and our friends were in the small waiting area. They explained the situation and we were fine with it. About two minutes after our arrival, a man came forth and began berating our friends, telling them that if we decided to stay, he wanted our assurance we weren't going to abuse our server! He then wanted to know if a better table would be "good enough to impress your friends." He then began to give my friends a lesson in courtesy - except his rudeness in doing so was stunning. He subsequently told us that he was "the manager," as if that gave him some license to act like an ass. My friends are both professionals and in the twenty years I've known them have ever demonstrated rudeness to wait staff or management - quite to the contrary.

Well, done. No do-overs in a case like this. Life is too short and there are too many options in this community to go back to a place where management is allowed to deal with customers in that way.

And, it apparently was a bad enough scene that our server insisted on comping dessert because of the "situation" that had taken place earlier.

Oh, by the way Mr. Manager, despite your crappy behavior, I did tip our server 25%.
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by Carla G » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:29 am

Wow. Mind-numbing wow.
Here's my take given the info given. Mind you, this all just speculation but...
It sounds as if most of the managers' info came from the hostess. Given the manager's over-the-top reprimand to your party I'd say the hostess whimpered to the manager and he over-reacted with you. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts there's a bit of a romance between the two.
Whatever the case I don't begrudge your hard feelings and a call to the owner is in order. Given the manager got his info regarding the situation from the hostess it's hard to know what HE was told. Again someone should call the owner because the restaurant needs to clean up the act of either a over zealous manager or a whiney, manipulative hostess.
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by Bill P » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:55 am

Unacceptable behavior given the information presented. I'd out them.
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by Steve P » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:35 pm

Out 'em.
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by RonnieD » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:37 pm

Unacceptable. You'll not be a restaurant manager long in this industry with standards of customer service like that. I, too, think the establishment should be named.
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by Bill Veneman » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:01 pm

RonnieD wrote:Unacceptable. You'll not be a restaurant manager long in this industry with standards of customer service like that. I, too, think the establishment should be named.

Agreed.....on both counts
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by TP Lowe » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:08 pm

Carla G wrote:Wow. Mind-numbing wow.
Here's my take given the info given. Mind you, this all just speculation but...
It sounds as if most of the managers' info came from the hostess. Given the manager's over-the-top reprimand to your party I'd say the hostess whimpered to the manager and he over-reacted with you. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts there's a bit of a romance between the two.
Whatever the case I don't begrudge your hard feelings and a call to the owner is in order. Given the manager got his info regarding the situation from the hostess it's hard to know what HE was told. Again someone should call the owner because the restaurant needs to clean up the act of either a over zealous manager or a whiney, manipulative hostess.


Good theory, Carla - may well be true. I am going to contact the owner as soon as I locate a name (they are not members of the BBB, so I couldn't get a name there; and, the KY Secretary of State's web site was down this morning, so that didn't work either).

And this is certainly not a case where I'm looking for a comp meal. I don't intend to ever set foot in the restaurant again. And I did politely decline the aforementioned comp dessert, although our friends had ordered one to go before we knew it was comped. Otherwise I would not have allowed it to be free - that didn't make up for the manager with the pitiful attitude.
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by RTaglieri » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:36 pm

Carla G wrote:Wow. Mind-numbing wow.
Here's my take given the info given. Mind you, this all just speculation but...
It sounds as if most of the managers' info came from the hostess. Given the manager's over-the-top reprimand to your party I'd say the hostess whimpered to the manager and he over-reacted with you. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts there's a bit of a romance between the two.
Whatever the case I don't begrudge your hard feelings and a call to the owner is in order. Given the manager got his info regarding the situation from the hostess it's hard to know what HE was told. Again someone should call the owner because the restaurant needs to clean up the act of either a over zealous manager or a whiney, manipulative hostess.


Maybe I am naive, but do any restaurants allow romantic relationships between managers and those they supervise? Most corporations take an understandably dim view of this for both morale and legal (sexual harassment potential) reasons.

If this is more commonplace than I would guess, has anyone had experiences with this? I cannot believe it ends well in most instances.
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by Brian Curl » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:44 pm

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts there's a bit of a romance between the two


WOW, from a bad experience with a manger to the conclusion that the young, hot hostess is sleeping with the manager and he came to her defense...

A perfect example of how untrue rumors get started. smh
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by Gary Z » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:52 pm

RTaglieri wrote:
Carla G wrote:Wow. Mind-numbing wow.
Here's my take given the info given. Mind you, this all just speculation but...
It sounds as if most of the managers' info came from the hostess. Given the manager's over-the-top reprimand to your party I'd say the hostess whimpered to the manager and he over-reacted with you. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts there's a bit of a romance between the two.
Whatever the case I don't begrudge your hard feelings and a call to the owner is in order. Given the manager got his info regarding the situation from the hostess it's hard to know what HE was told. Again someone should call the owner because the restaurant needs to clean up the act of either a over zealous manager or a whiney, manipulative hostess.


Maybe I am naive, but do any restaurants allow romantic relationships between managers and those they supervise? Most corporations take an understandably dim view of this for both morale and legal (sexual harassment potential) reasons.

If this is more commonplace than I would guess, has anyone had experiences with this? I cannot believe it ends well in most instances.



It's not supposed to happen but it does. Independent restaurants are a little more forgiving when it comes to stuff like that. I personally was let go from one corporate restaurant for an "innappropriate" relationship with a staff member. Totally worth it though. You should have seen this girl. )
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by Carla G » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:24 pm

Brian Curl wrote:
I'd bet dollars to doughnuts there's a bit of a romance between the two


WOW, from a bad experience with a manger to the conclusion that the young, hot hostess is sleeping with the manager and he came to her defense...

A perfect example of how untrue rumors get started. smh


And had any businesses or individuals been named I would not have been so speculative but at this point it's pretty obvious that
1. I have no idea who they are talking about
2. I SAID I was speculating.

Because the manager's reaction was WAY over the top I stand by my HYPOTHESIS. Not fact, I don't know, only guessing, didn't see it happen. (And BTW I didn't say "sleeping with" YOU did. I said a romance which may be anything.)
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by Mark Head » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:40 pm

Frankly I would have walked out. I'm not sure I could stay and eat after a scene like that - I'm amazed in a good way at your tempered response. Shocking.
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by GaryF » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:57 pm

I agree with Mark. If I am greeted rudely I just turn my back and walk away. I know it's not always easy with 10 people- but there are a lot of restaurants that would bend over backwards for a 10 top.
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by Brian Curl » Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:26 pm

"sleeping with" was the example of the next step of rumor escalation - females love to speculate about sex and drama
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Re: Way too many options to tolerate rude management

by Ed Vermillion » Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:04 pm

Brian Curl wrote:"sleeping with" was the example of the next step of rumor escalation - females love to speculate about sex and drama


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